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co19 tournament archive / co19-q2-chat
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Start of Day 1
6:00 p.m.
:D
6:00 p.m.
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YOU BEAT ME TO IT
6:00 p.m.
WTF
6:00 p.m.
FUCK YOU STETT
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o/ hey all, this is my first disc maf game. i've been doing forums about a year + mafia.gg for 2 years tho
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FreshSpice
FUCK YOU STETT
5upD
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Stett
o/ hey all, this is my first disc maf game. i've been doing forums about a year + mafia.gg for 2 years tho
ik, i’m now getting traumatic flashbacks because of you
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Stett
o/ hey all, this is my first disc maf game. i've been doing forums about a year + mafia.gg for 2 years tho
and the only person i know at all just said fuck you stett 😔
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Stett lock town for beating me to first message
6:01 p.m.
gg
6:01 p.m.
@Stett we winning now
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5upThink we'll see
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Stett
5upThink we'll see
also u need to make up for the tunnel u done to me in spec chat, so don’t be mafia !!!
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are you more of a hyperposter on disc than forums? your vibes so far are def chiller than champs
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STETT U DONT REMEMBER ME?
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FreshSpice
also u need to make up for the tunnel u done to me in spec chat, so don’t be mafia !!!
listen everyone told me animepigeon was "meta town" and i believed them
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I was sooo towny
6:03 p.m.
and idk i feel like i hadn’t played scum in the past to even be able to play like
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you were 😔 but also i was LIED TO by spec and BELIEVED THE LIE
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FreshSpice
and idk i feel like i hadn’t played scum in the past to even be able to play like
oh thats kinda a mood lmfaooo
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@Xiafather where u at
6:03 p.m.
@aquamxrinee
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i gen dont know what ill do the first time i rand scum in a 48/24
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oh this started
6:04 p.m.
thanks
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that was a quick reply
6:04 p.m.
u weren’t just already ghosting the chat? @aquamxrinee
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no
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🤨 wasnt everyone pinged in infovote.....
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tbh i was kinda waiting for this 💀
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i didn’t get it
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in stett terms aqua is pinging me right now
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what is the format of the villy/scum count
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they were actually kinda giving me towny idgaf vibes
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aquamxrinee
what is the format of the villy/scum count
white flag: 3 maf, 5 town
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what’s white flag mean
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read the game info....
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Stett
they were actually kinda giving me towny idgaf vibes
she is typically more bubbly and aggressive which is kinda contradictory, she gives me scared vibes right now which she never is
6:06 p.m.
who all in game do you know/have meta on?
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aqua is like alpha woman
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Stett
who all in game do you know/have meta on?
drfresh
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Stett
who all in game do you know/have meta on?
… YOU
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you def dont have meta on me lol
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tbh aqua xia ernie and doggo
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unless you did a meta dive
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aquamxrinee
what’s white flag mean
wincon for maf = vote 3 town. wincon for town = vote two maf. its nightless, 5v3, if a town is voted d1 they dont die till we vote a woof
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ah
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Stett
you def dont have meta on me lol
i was trying to read through neil invitational, cause my ass was scared that u would cook me, but got bored, only went through ur semis in champs
6:08 p.m.
but i think i kinda went through ur mafia a bit to see what’s NAI for u
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how do y’all have a read on me already that’s nuts
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i didn’t get much tbh
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fresh why did u vote me
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aquamxrinee
how do y’all have a read on me already that’s nuts
opening is hard to make for mafia, so it’s better to make a opening read then not
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aquamxrinee
how do y’all have a read on me already that’s nuts
i mean fresh read is basically ur stilted and my read is you feel idgaf so thats not exactly anything concrete lol
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progresses RVS
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:curtain: im fine calling fresh towny tho he seems hype as f to play
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nah fresh mad sus
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FreshSpice
i was trying to read through neil invitational, cause my ass was scared that u would cook me, but got bored, only went through ur semis in champs
semis is kinda a weird game for meta b/c i was having to play defense the whole game. my best scum performance was probably halloween mash last year, but its a mash so trying to read through it would suck lol
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aquamxrinee
nah fresh mad sus
LOOOL 😂 ok u might be town
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5upThink quick switchup
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we’ll see, i did make a note that u tend to sus people who make reads with no info
6:11 p.m.
no i dont?
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what’s rvs that’s not in the terminology guide
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Stett
wut lol
aqua
6:11 p.m.
not u
6:12 p.m.
sorry oop
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aquamxrinee
what’s rvs that’s not in the terminology guide
random vote stage
6:12 p.m.
ykw fresh
6:12 p.m.
just for that
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aquamxrinee
what’s rvs that’s not in the terminology guide
random voting stage: basically just start of game where you're memeing around and throwing stuff at the wall
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voting fresh
6:12 p.m.
rn
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Stett
semis is kinda a weird game for meta b/c i was having to play defense the whole game. my best scum performance was probably halloween mash last year, but its a mash so trying to read through it would suck lol
yeah i skipped all the mashes when searching cause i dont think its the same when u got a 3v5
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because i can
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aqua is being alpha woman now, i love to see it
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no im just being petty
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sheeping my lock town read
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:curtain: i think we're all town and wolves are ghosting sod so far gg
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fresh i hope ur inno with me
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only 2 more town to find ez clap
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Stett
:curtain: i think we're all town and wolves are ghosting sod so far gg
prob 💀
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i wanna go to semis with fresh fr
6:14 p.m.
so i can beat him
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aquamxrinee
so i can beat him
there is no guarantee we will be on the same game 💀
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this setup as no Prs right
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oh yeah aqua town slipping now
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather where u at
I'm dozing off in bed atm
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FreshSpice
oh yeah aqua town slipping now
womp womp
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been running on 3 hours of sleep and chugging ice coffee today
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this is prob gonna be one of those games where town is gonna slip so much, we are prob guaranteed to get a mafia out d1
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i’m just yapping
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so am close to crashing
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FreshSpice
this is prob gonna be one of those games where town is gonna slip so much, we are prob guaranteed to get a mafia out d1
i’m not maf
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BUT I AM HERE AT LEAST
6:17 p.m.
KannaFIRE
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Xiafather
been running on 3 hours of sleep and chugging ice coffee today
i took a 2 hour nap, i’m kinda between sleep and awake right now
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fresh is giving cautious town atm
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FreshSpice
i took a 2 hour nap, i’m kinda between sleep and awake right now
ahhh icic
6:17 p.m.
that's a long nap
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@Ernie @DoggoLost @Celestia @WaNObI first person to meow in chat gets a tr gg
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i think fresh would try to pocket me if he were maf so i’m leaning towards inno (edited)
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aquamxrinee
i’m not maf
u realise i’m saying, u are town, thats just confused…
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FreshSpice
u realise i’m saying, u are town, thats just confused…
i’m just a noob
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aquamxrinee
i think fresh would try to pocket me if he were maf so i’m leaning towards inno (edited)
why couldnt his current treatment of u be pockety lol?
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Xiafather
ahhh icic
i probably won’t last long before i’m too sleepy to even type in this chat
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ye same
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Stett
why couldnt his current treatment of u be pockety lol?
because he knows i will vote him if he doesn’t follow me
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im just reading what has gone on till now
6:19 p.m.
before i crash
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aquamxrinee
i’m just a noob
LOOOL, i told you to do research and look at the whole game 💀
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FreshSpice
LOOOL, i told you to do research and look at the whole game 💀
i did
6:19 p.m.
it’s a lot to remember
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aquamxrinee
because he knows i will vote him if he doesn’t follow me
then isnt him quickswapping his read on you and following you what you'd expect him to do as maf??? im confused lol
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but i still feel like as mafia you’d know there are no prs
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Stett
then isnt him quickswapping his read on you and following you what you'd expect him to do as maf??? im confused lol
i get really good reads, and fresh is a smart guy
6:20 p.m.
if he’s not following me on an obvious read i’m going to think he’s maf
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so why wouldnt w!fresh just follow you on the read then
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fresh likes to appeal to innos
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aquamxrinee
i get really good reads, and fresh is a smart guy
“i get really good reads” is crazy
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Stett
so why wouldnt w!fresh just follow you on the read then
i’m saying he would
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mostly im just confused what you have so far to say he isnt pocketing you yet lol
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aquamxrinee
i’m saying he would
oh gotcha 5upNotes
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Stett
mostly im just confused what you have so far to say he isnt pocketing you yet lol
that’s a fair point i think i need to see more from him
6:21 p.m.
but he’s questioning my alignment somewhat so
6:21 p.m.
he’s not insta pocketing me like some people have tried
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idk how aqua is making points as if she knows me, when we never played long form together
6:21 p.m.
that’s prob the only thing that confuses me right now
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we played a lot of short form and ik u well
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wait didnt yall just say you had meta on each other tho, wut 😹
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aquamxrinee
we played a lot of short form and ik u well
i feel like short form is a totally different business
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fresh ur an easy read
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Stett
wait didnt yall just say you had meta on each other tho, wut 😹
i spectated her town game, she doesn’t know my meta
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if someone is an easy read in short form it can translate
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i don’t have scum meta tho
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FreshSpice
i spectated her town game, she doesn’t know my meta
that wasn’t even a real ttg
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FreshSpice
i don’t have scum meta tho
hmmmmm ic
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Stett
if someone is an easy read in short form it can translate
this what i’m saying
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aquamxrinee
that wasn’t even a real ttg
i mean u we’re sweating ur ass off
6:23 p.m.
@Xiafather where u gonne stop lurking
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FreshSpice
i mean u we’re sweating ur ass off
no i was yelling at everyone bc i was right
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@Xiafather any initial reads?
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather any initial reads?
you know I don't like doing early reads, you're so mean
6:24 p.m.
SmugSip
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early reads best reads
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Xiafather
you know I don't like doing early reads, you're so mean
get out of your comfort zone 😁
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Stett
early reads best reads
real
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hipfire em off to just say shit and show us how you're processing the chat
6:24 p.m.
b/c townies be processing
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it’s true tho
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scummies be awk as f trying to think of how to perform
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townies start to follow maf as time goes on
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well trueee
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and then u lose sight
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Stett
scummies be awk as f trying to think of how to perform
THIS
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I gotta be more daring
6:25 p.m.
CB_pandafightr
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town gets more sus and scum gets less sus as games go on imo
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d1/d2 are where a game is lost or won imo
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that's a very good point
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Stett
d1/d2 are where a game is lost or won imo
yeee
6:25 p.m.
i like stett
6:26 p.m.
she smart
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xia is prob the one player, that i’m like kinda worried about cause her scum and town gameplay is quite literally identical, 0 difference… but she is typically misread a lot
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idk she lowk did
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I know just about nothing about aqua and stett so I can't say too much about you guys, fresh so far feels fine
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sus
6:26 p.m.
fresh stopped voting me so i fear i can’t vote him for shts and giggles
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Xiafather
I know just about nothing about aqua and stett so I can't say too much about you guys, fresh so far feels fine
if you decide you want to backread 800 post long logs from a random forum game i can share links Catongue
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FreshSpice
xia is prob the one player, that i’m like kinda worried about cause her scum and town gameplay is quite literally identical, 0 difference… but she is typically misread a lot
it's only identical because I'm always unsure on what to do both as town and scum XiaKEK
6:27 p.m.
but also because i just go with the flow and chill
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aquamxrinee
fresh stopped voting me so i fear i can’t vote him for shts and giggles
ur vote made me shiver, i was scared u might’ve gotten me figured out
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Xiafather
it's only identical because I'm always unsure on what to do both as town and scum XiaKEK
i don’t buy that
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do yall say iso or logs or what do you call it when you search for one persons specific posts btw i wanna learn the disc lingo
6:27 p.m.
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Stett
do yall say iso or logs or what do you call it when you search for one persons specific posts btw i wanna learn the disc lingo
iso
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Stett
if you decide you want to backread 800 post long logs from a random forum game i can share links Catongue
no thanks, I'll try to make a read based off of my personal experience with you in this game as we go on Salute
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xia if ur ranked b tier u def know what ur doing to some extent
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Xiafather
no thanks, I'll try to make a read based off of my personal experience with you in this game as we go on Salute
AnimeThumbsup based
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aqua calls it nothing cause there is no way to isolate ur reads in our community 💀
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thats tragic
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Stett
thats tragic
imagine having to scroll up just to see what someone has said 💀
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FreshSpice
aqua calls it nothing cause there is no way to isolate ur reads in our community 💀
what do you make of this it's only identical because I'm always unsure on what to do both as town and scum :XiaKEK:
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Ernie
Yo
my goat
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uhoh he didnt meow.... lock wolf
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aquamxrinee
xia if ur ranked b tier u def know what ur doing to some extent
I honestly don't know why I'm b tier myself last tournament I made it to the semifinals only because of a lucky qualifier game as scum mEhh
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FreshSpice
my goat
Hey
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ernie
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aquamxrinee
ernie
Wassup
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I had a goated maf partner who set it up quite well for me then
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fresh i thought i was ur goat what the frick
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aquamxrinee
what do you make of this it's only identical because I'm always unsure on what to do both as town and scum :XiaKEK:
i make nothing of it, she does this as town and mafia, she is very slow at approaching the game
6:29 p.m.
it’s NAI to me
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FreshSpice
i make nothing of it, she does this as town and mafia, she is very slow at approaching the game
ah ok
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typically sus for me, but for xia it’s NAI
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FreshSpice
it’s NAI to me
lemme guess. no alignment info
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FreshSpice
typically sus for me, but for xia it’s NAI
ok understandable
6:30 p.m.
i don’t know her so makes sense
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Not alignment indicative
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same difference
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there is an imposter among the ppl who have chatted in the last 3 mins
6:31 p.m.
one of us gotta be scum
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it’s like, if someone does something sus, but in their usual game as town they always do this sus thing, than it’s just NAI for her
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Ernie
Hey
heyo, how's it going?
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1 scum has definitely spoken up to now
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sussy banka
6:31 p.m.
yes
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Xiafather
heyo, how's it going?
Nothing much wby
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chilling before I crash
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🤓 scum are obvi ernie, doggo, celestia gg
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Stett
🤓 scum are obvi ernie, doggo, celestia gg
lowkey ernie is giving me sus vibes
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Xiafather
chilling before I crash
Crash out or crashing a car
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ik he just got here but he’s off toooc
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Stett
🤓 scum are obvi ernie, doggo, celestia gg
how lucky are you?
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topic
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but also
6:32 p.m.
just ftr
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Ernie
Crash out or crashing a car
crashing out, I don't have a car yet sadly
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im extremely biased
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aquamxrinee
ik he just got here but he’s off toooc
Sorry bro 😞
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give us some reads or smth
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b/c "yo" as an entrance is my top scumread entrance
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Stett
b/c "yo" as an entrance is my top scumread entrance
lowkey tho
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"yo" and "yo yo yo" = scum im so sorry
6:33 p.m.
😔
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aquamxrinee
give us some reads or smth
I haven't read the chat yet honestly
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they have a seperate chat thing right
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Ernie also does nothing d1, as town, not to be mean to him
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Stett
"yo" and "yo yo yo" = scum im so sorry
Yo yo let's chill yo
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@Ernie im expecting some development
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FreshSpice
Ernie also does nothing d1, as town, not to be mean to him
I do stuff sometimes bro
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aquamxrinee
they have a seperate chat thing right
maf? yeah maf ought to have a wolf chat
6:33 p.m.
tbh tho
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ok
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Ernie
I do stuff sometimes bro
do something right now and place a vote
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vote for doctor fresh
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if i randed wolf i would probs tell partners to focus on talking in main chat since there's no night phase
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FreshSpice
do something right now and place a vote
I haven't read anything though how am I supposed to vote
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who do you think is the most sus rn Ernie, if you had to choose
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OK AQUA IS DERP CLEARED TOO HARD NOW 💀💀💀
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you dont need to strategize kills here, just control thread enough to elim townies
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FreshSpice
OK AQUA IS DERP CLEARED TOO HARD NOW 💀💀💀
what
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just base it off of our vibes rn
6:34 p.m.
99Ayay
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aquamxrinee
what
ur like heavy dumbtelling 💀
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fresh why r u freaking out buddy
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FreshSpice
ur like heavy dumbtelling 💀
what if i’m scum and playing u
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FreshSpice
OK AQUA IS DERP CLEARED TOO HARD NOW 💀💀💀
i mean tbf she made it p clear she didnt read the rules/structure out the gate: so either she legit just got assigned a chat and started posting or it's an act but shrugg TBD
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aquamxrinee
fresh why r u freaking out buddy
cause if u aren’t playing this than poe is gonna be so easy to make
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Xiafather
who do you think is the most sus rn Ernie, if you had to choose
I mean with stett I think she's town because she's tryna pressure i don't think mafia does that and same could be said for aquamarine but as for scum I honestly have nothing right now
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Xiafather
who do you think is the most sus rn Ernie, if you had to choose
odd to ask ernie this when you redirected and ignored fresh when he asked you to hipfire reads....
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FreshSpice
cause if u aren’t playing this than poe is gonna be so easy to make
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no wait, but @aquamxrinee u know there is a mafia chat in our community, why wouldn’t there be a mafia chat here?
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Ernie
I mean with stett I think she's town because she's tryna pressure i don't think mafia does that and same could be said for aquamarine but as for scum I honestly have nothing right now
why don't you think maf tries to pressure?
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Stett
odd to ask ernie this when you redirected and ignored fresh when he asked you to hipfire reads....
ernie xi and one of the afks gg (edited)
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Stett
odd to ask ernie this when you redirected and ignored fresh when he asked you to hipfire reads....
yes please do sus me FroggieBlush
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Stett
why don't you think maf tries to pressure?
Every game I've played so far none have done that
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FreshSpice
no wait, but @aquamxrinee u know there is a mafia chat in our community, why wouldn’t there be a mafia chat here?
because the maf chat is only for night phase in mm
6:36 p.m.
there’s no night phase here
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Ernie
Every game I've played so far none have done that
how many games would you ballpark you've played? assuming primarily discord, right?
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Stett
how many games would you ballpark you've played? assuming primarily discord, right?
4
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well, if I were to vote anyone rn it'd be fresh just cuz I've played with him more than anyone else here before till now XiaThink
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aquamxrinee
because the maf chat is only for night phase in mm
so u don’t know that in TTG, mafia have their own server?
6:37 p.m.
there is no way
6:37 p.m.
hold on
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fresh i’ve played like one ttg
6:37 p.m.
and i’ve never been scum
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aquamxrinee
fresh i’ve played like one ttg
u said 2 in the game
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and I wonder if fresh is really as fresh as the name indicates
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FreshSpice
u said 2 in the game
one real one
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Xiafather
well, if I were to vote anyone rn it'd be fresh just cuz I've played with him more than anyone else here before till now XiaThink
then why not vote him PopcornMan
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one fake
6:37 p.m.
and the one real one i played village got swept
6:37 p.m.
because NO ONE LISTENED TO ME
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aquamxrinee
one real one
and u dont know that mafia had their own server?
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FreshSpice
and u dont know that mafia had their own server?
i did know that but i didn’t know if it was the same here. it’s a different platform
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we literally got told pregame that if we randed maf we'd get a link to a private server lol
6:38 p.m.
like
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Stett
then why not vote him PopcornMan
because I don't have a need to vote yet
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you had to respond to that post
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simple
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and confirm you read it
6:38 p.m.
?
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lemme see
6:38 p.m.
no it didn’t mention that in my rules
6:39 p.m.
it wasn’t a condition of town citizen
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icharus derping too close to the sun....
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aquamxrinee
i did know that but i didn’t know if it was the same here. it’s a different platform
ok then why did u say that maf chat is only for night phase in mm? when u know there is a discord server for mafia on mm?
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stett i think u might be maf
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aquamxrinee
stett i think u might be maf
aqua i think you might have not read the rules Catongue
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FreshSpice
ok then why did u say that maf chat is only for night phase in mm? when u know there is a discord server for mafia on mm?
because day maf chat isn’t built into rules there. i think i knew they had a chat i was just confirming
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Stett
aqua i think you might have not read the rules Catongue
my rules that i had to consent to just mention village win condition and my ability as a boring town citizen
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ok i don’t want to clear aqua too early, imma just keep her on the town lean slot
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the actual rules that got dmd in the player server don’t mention maf having a server
6:40 p.m.
on my role card
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in the very first message you got in your player chat
6:41 p.m.
before your rolecard
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aquamxrinee
what is the format of the villy/scum count
5upThink
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Xiafather
well, if I were to vote anyone rn it'd be fresh just cuz I've played with him more than anyone else here before till now XiaThink
is this right? i’ve only played once with you
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ye but i didn’t have to consent to that
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does mention there being a mafia chat
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i only had to consent to my player card
6:41 p.m.
jt does if u click on the links to setup etc
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but not explicitly
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aquamxrinee
ye but i didn’t have to consent to that
ok well yeah lol but that's still part of the rules
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FreshSpice
is this right? i’ve only played once with you
others i haven't played before until veeerry recently (on going game so shush)
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my point was more it shoulda been something you read pregame/prerand
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i was just confirming
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Xiafather
others i haven't played before until veeerry recently (on going game so shush)
girl we played last time together like 4 months ago, or maybe 6
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aquamxrinee
i was just confirming
Maybe they forgot to put it in yours it seems unlikely but we couldn't really know
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FreshSpice
girl we played last time together like 4 months ago, or maybe 6
still feel like I know you better than them, is a good thing
6:42 p.m.
kannasmug
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see yall soon i gtg to choir
6:42 p.m.
and sing my heart out
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enjoy!
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i’ll text while i walk
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Xiafather
still feel like I know you better than them, is a good thing
so wait was ur point that, u would only vote someone that u know d1?
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it’s like 2 mins from my dorm
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ernie what would you say your general approach D1 in the games you've played so far has been?
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great question 😂
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hullo everyone i will be able to read this in just a bit
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(ftr i think aqua is still probs town and that was just a useless detour lol)
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ok stett is inno
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FreshSpice
so wait was ur point that, u would only vote someone that u know d1?
nope just that if I had to vote someone no matter what this early on, I'd vote you just cuz I know you but I don't have to, and I'd prolly unvote very soon after anyways XiaKEK
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ernie what would you say your general approach D1 in the games you've played so far has been?
Honestly I'm not that active day 1 at the start cause it starts kinda late for me majority of the time but in the morning I try to read a bit, I normally get a couple reads and give people my couple reads
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we planned this in scumchat frfr
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stetts my most inno read rn
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DoggoLost
hullo everyone i will be able to read this in just a bit
doggo is here!
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hope i don't have a ton of posts to sift through. are we meme phase or is there something solid yet? any posts i should look at?
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Stett
we planned this in scumchat frfr
IT SENT AT THE SAME TIME
6:44 p.m.
I TYPED BEFORE THWT SENT
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oh doggo actually is a wolf
6:44 p.m.
rip
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lowkey he’s too structured
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my meme vote on a 0 posster was right im so good
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fair
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stett if ur scum im gonna be so disappointed
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alright the way i do backreading means i often ignore current chat so u have me for 2ish minutes here before i go dive back
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DoggoLost
hope i don't have a ton of posts to sift through. are we meme phase or is there something solid yet? any posts i should look at?
explore the game for yourself and make your own conclusions. find the posts that stick out to you. asking for prompting is cover. we aint here to tell you how to play, figure out if you think there's solid stuff yet and what that is
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ok scum
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if you're a town trying to get others to direct you makes you impossible to read
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facts
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aquamxrinee
stett if ur scum im gonna be so disappointed
best player on mafia universe (despite tunneling me wrong 🚶‍♂️‍➡️), don’t underestimate how good she is as mafia
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showing us how you ingratiate yourself into the game umprompted is how you make yourself findable
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fresh ur annoying
6:47 p.m.
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FreshSpice
best player on mafia universe (despite tunneling me wrong 🚶‍♂️‍➡️), don’t underestimate how good she is as mafia
im not even the best town lol
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aquamxrinee
fresh ur annoying
u already knew that
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ive literally only randed scum in a 48/24 once and i had to sub out for an irl emergency so unfort i have like no real experience with longform wolfing
6:47 p.m.
😔
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Stett
im not even the best town lol
have u done any meta analysis on anyone here before game started?
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they was dissing mu in vc yesterday
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FreshSpice
have u done any meta analysis on anyone here before game started?
no lol
6:48 p.m.
i cannot be assed to backread discord games
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alright i will take this as we are in fact not in meme phase
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Stett
no lol
to be honest i was wondering how u we’re gonna approach this game, since u are heavy on meta, but i can see that making sense
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if any of yall have played on forums im not aware of it besides fresh
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so lesgo, cya in a bit
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DoggoLost
alright i will take this as we are in fact not in meme phase
we’re always in meme phase
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and i read fresh for jury so not gonna read him again :p
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Stett
and i read fresh for jury so not gonna read him again :p
💀💀💀
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FreshSpice
to be honest i was wondering how u we’re gonna approach this game, since u are heavy on meta, but i can see that making sense
im not that heavy on meta lol
6:49 p.m.
i use meta when i have experience with people
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Stett
o/ hey all, this is my first disc maf game. i've been doing forums about a year + mafia.gg for 2 years tho
wuts ur homesite?
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if you mean my champs run: it was def meta heavy b/c i didnt know how to play forums yet, so i grounded myself in backreading and research
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Stett
im not that heavy on meta lol
i see, in the one game i read ur reads were either meta or gut/vibe reads
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DoggoLost
wuts ur homesite?
mafia.gg but i have a lot of games on mafia.universe too
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ok i’m going to sing be back at approx 9:30pm est
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FreshSpice
i see, in the one game i read ur reads were either meta or gut/vibe reads
yeah champs was my first ever forum game
6:50 p.m.
so doing meta dives was only thing i could think of to prep
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Stett
yeah champs was my first ever forum game
we went through the same backstory 😔
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im a lot less wall posty and more go with the flow in recent games b/c i've improved my instincts on general posting styles
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Stett
so doing meta dives was only thing i could think of to prep
i’d have saved myself if i done that in the semi’s but i think i lost interest
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:curtain: and instincts say doggo might be woofin.....
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and went into semi’s unprepared and in the wrong time zone
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omgPat time zones can make stuff hard
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Stett
who all in game do you know/have meta on?
i played 1 game with fresh and i think a game or two with xiaysa, mostly new people here for me
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Stett
omgPat time zones can make stuff hard
I SWEAR i was trying to catchup and it was killing me, cause everytime i got past a page a new one would come
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speaking of: when does everyone anticipate being most active: and will anyone not be able to make end of day? (which is 2024-11-06 6:00 p.m. )
6:52 p.m.
oh oops
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aquamxrinee
how do y’all have a read on me already that’s nuts
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and then i had reads and couldn’t formulate them because it was mostly gut, and i couldn’t pressure them for stuff that was way too early in the game
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6:00 p.m.
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dammit
6:53 p.m.
im flopping
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aquamxrinee
how do y’all have a read on me already that’s nuts
btw wut's ur homesite
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Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:00 p.m.
6:53 p.m.
THERE WE GO
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stett are u american?
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yes but that is a relative timestamp so it shows in your local time
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Stett
semis is kinda a weird game for meta b/c i was having to play defense the whole game. my best scum performance was probably halloween mash last year, but its a mash so trying to read through it would suck lol
wut's a mash?
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Stett
yes but that is a relative timestamp so it shows in your local time
im switzerland lol ik
6:54 p.m.
in*
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FreshSpice
aqua is being alpha woman now, i love to see it
is alpha woman just a vibe or is this a comparison to another player?
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DoggoLost
wut's a mash?
a mash is a giant game with role madness and typically 50+ players where there's no postcap, phases are 12 hours days, 12 hour nights, there are events like codenames, and everyone has the power to ita each day (shoot a gun with a 15% - 20% hit rate)
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DoggoLost
is alpha woman just a vibe or is this a comparison to another player?
a vibe i guess?
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FreshSpice
sheeping my lock town read
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hey doggo
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FreshSpice
oh yeah aqua town slipping now
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could you search: from: xiaysa in: #co19-q2-chat and gimme your thoughts on her posts? :3
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Xiafather
been running on 3 hours of sleep and chugging ice coffee today
oof, hope ur taking care of urself Dx
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aquamxrinee
i’m not maf
good to know, thanks
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Stett
@Ernie @DoggoLost @Celestia @WaNObI first person to meow in chat gets a tr gg
BORK BORK
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😔 still no meowers....
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FreshSpice
i feel like short form is a totally different business
is short form just speeds?
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aquamxrinee
that wasn’t even a real ttg
ttg?
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@DoggoLost can you tell me how these questions are alignment indicative, and how does this help us solve as town
7:02 p.m.
i’m just trying to understand the approach to chat right now
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Stett
😔 still no meowers....
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iso
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was she actually ranked b tier though? i think it's just her name
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ugh he is reading top to bottom, i’m proud i even survived this long awake at 1am
7:04 p.m.
im going to sleep now
7:04 p.m.
goodnight yall
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i mea im guessing he's just backreading and responding rn lol not neccecarily ai. i am curious why you said that game appears to be out of RVS, but your interactions so far are frounded in rvs
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FreshSpice
ugh he is reading top to bottom, i’m proud i even survived this long awake at 1am
yah lol i dont think he's seeing the recent stuff
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Stett
i mea im guessing he's just backreading and responding rn lol not neccecarily ai. i am curious why you said that game appears to be out of RVS, but your interactions so far are frounded in rvs
is this towards me?
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i mea im guessing he's just backreading and responding rn lol not neccecarily ai. i am curious why you said that game appears to be out of RVS, but your interactions so far are frounded in rvs
you meaning @ doggo
7:05 p.m.
oh jinx
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oh woops u are b tier, my bad x.x
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i mea im guessing he's just backreading and responding rn lol not neccecarily ai. i am curious why you said that game appears to be out of RVS, but your interactions so far are frounded in rvs
q is for you once you get to it doggo
7:06 p.m.
as in: why are you noting the game advanced past RVS, but you're choosing to backread and react post by post instead of skim and get to solving?
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yo
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accurate
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fair
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same username for both?
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bork bork life is ruff
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i will not be very active until after 5 pm most days. can chime in a bit throughout the day here and there but not much
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Stett
Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:00 p.m.
third time's the charm 😛
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well he's certainly plowing along with it at least
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Stett
a mash is a giant game with role madness and typically 50+ players where there's no postcap, phases are 12 hours days, 12 hour nights, there are events like codenames, and everyone has the power to ita each day (shoot a gun with a 15% - 20% hit rate)
that actually sounds pretty goated, minus the 50 players. wish it was slightly lower at like 25-35. how do the codeame events work?
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Stett
could you search: from: xiaysa in: #co19-q2-chat and gimme your thoughts on her posts? :3
is that this chat? so u just want me to iso her?
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actually im kinda wondering if not giving a flip about recent posts and just backreading without checking on new stuf fmight be towny lol
7:19 p.m.
like non of this content is solvy
7:19 p.m.
but there's a certain carefree vibe to it maybe
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DoggoLost
is that this chat? so u just want me to iso her?
yes
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FreshSpice
@DoggoLost can you tell me how these questions are alignment indicative, and how does this help us solve as town
they aren't AI. i am trying to understand people's lingo so i'm not left in the dark and it helps me understand people's mafia experience better too. p sure u saw me do this in our game together sooooo
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FreshSpice
Click to see attachment 🖼️
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Stett
as in: why are you noting the game advanced past RVS, but you're choosing to backread and react post by post instead of skim and get to solving?
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alright isoing xiaysa now
7:25 p.m.
i want an answer to that one first
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i'm not really sure what ur asking or what the agenda is tbh
7:26 p.m.
also curious but
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how old are u
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DoggoLost
i'm not really sure what ur asking or what the agenda is tbh
im asking: why after noting that the game is past RVS, did you choose to go back and read top to bottom with just kinda making small chatty comments. wha tdid you hope to get from that?
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ur not talking like most players i see here
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DoggoLost
how old are u
im a zoomer, but at least 21. thats all im comfortable sharing online
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im asking: why after noting that the game is past RVS, did you choose to go back and read top to bottom with just kinda making small chatty comments. wha tdid you hope to get from that?
i read it all to try and get a tone on people and i replied to try to generate some more
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DoggoLost
i read it all to try and get a tone on people and i replied to try to generate some more
do you think anything you generated will create alignment indicative content? if so how and why
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I think if free and xiaysa reply i can get better reads yeah
7:29 p.m.
fresh sorry
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which questions did you ask that you think will get readable responses?
7:29 p.m.
*do you think
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q and a are far from the only way to get reads
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wut do u do for work
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im asking: what about this do you think will merit anything other than like a "yeah" or "lol" in response
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i think his intention is on blending more than solving but if he can explain how going through each message helps his solving ability than that’s a great start
7:34 p.m.
also i wanted to go sleep but then as i had my eyes close, starvation hit me, and now im back to being addicted to my phone
7:34 p.m.
great life
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@Stett also why the switch from doggo?
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u seem like u got a read on him
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i mean the point is more of to read things and to create bookmarks. not really sure how this creates blending like wut fresh is saying but okay, u do u.
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actually im kinda wondering if not giving a flip about recent posts and just backreading without checking on new stuf fmight be towny lol
^ this is why i unvoted. im also a fan of letting people cook and i want to see how he goes about forming reads
7:35 p.m.
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DoggoLost
i mean the point is more of to read things and to create bookmarks. not really sure how this creates blending like wut fresh is saying but okay, u do u.
of the posts you responded to to "create bookmarks" which gives you literally any info about the alignments of people you're responding to
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DoggoLost
i mean the point is more of to read things and to create bookmarks. not really sure how this creates blending like wut fresh is saying but okay, u do u.
i feel like it would make more sense if u we’re like the type of player who struggles to formulate reads early on, but idk from my game with you u seemed fine with ur early solving ability, maybe my memory is slight foggy right now but that’s how i remember it
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^ this is why i unvoted. im also a fan of letting people cook and i want to see how he goes about forming reads
i swear sometimes i can’t help myself from thinking ur controlling mafia, idk why i feel this way, but it’s kinda bugging me
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i think it's pretty well known that i have a reputation for having bad reads, so that's a mildly sus take fresh
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FreshSpice
i swear sometimes i can’t help myself from thinking ur controlling mafia, idk why i feel this way, but it’s kinda bugging me
lmfao
7:37 p.m.
what am i trying to control?
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Stett
what am i trying to control?
this is just gut, but compared to everyone else u are more like powering in
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yes but "powering" =/= "controlling"
7:38 p.m.
one of those words is an observation, the other is shade
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Stett
of the posts you responded to to "create bookmarks" which gives you literally any info about the alignments of people you're responding to
my last few games tend to have a ton of chat spam, and so replying to a few things here and there creates a bookmark in case i look my place in chat and i sort of think it's just funny to have short replies to generate vibe.
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Stett
one of those words is an observation, the other is shade
we throw the word controlling too often in my community
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DoggoLost
oof, hope ur taking care of urself Dx
i amm dwdw! just slowly getting ready for bed atm
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lowkey this is my first game ever where people are this in tune with hard solving early, but i guess that's wut a tour is
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FreshSpice
i swear sometimes i can’t help myself from thinking ur controlling mafia, idk why i feel this way, but it’s kinda bugging me
also, you claimed you read me for meta PopcornMan what about my wolf game remotely reads as controlling wolf
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DoggoLost
oh woops u are b tier, my bad x.x
yee all good kannasmug no offense taken
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DoggoLost
my last few games tend to have a ton of chat spam, and so replying to a few things here and there creates a bookmark in case i look my place in chat and i sort of think it's just funny to have short replies to generate vibe.
icic
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Xiafather
yee all good kannasmug no offense taken
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also, you claimed you read me for meta PopcornMan what about my wolf game remotely reads as controlling wolf
i actually said that i didn’t last long reading ur wolf game, cause i was too lazy, i simply checked to see get like feel for ur range as scum
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FreshSpice
i swear sometimes i can’t help myself from thinking ur controlling mafia, idk why i feel this way, but it’s kinda bugging me
what about my unvoting a player to give them space registers as weird enough for you to say this btw? i wanna know why you interpret that as something potentially scummy PopcornMan
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anyway if u answered i didn't see it, but stett is ur username the same on mafia.gg and wut whas the other one, mu?
7:42 p.m.
mafia gg is an app with no stored games from the look of it?
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what about my unvoting a player to give them space registers as weird enough for you to say this btw? i wanna know why you interpret that as something potentially scummy PopcornMan
it’s not scummy, it’s the gut feeling i got multiple times during the day, it has no basis around it. but just like now, i still get the icky feeling that there is a world where u are kinda just setting yourself up, to power wolf…
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DoggoLost
mafia gg is an app with no stored games from the look of it?
ya no stored on m.gg but a ton of meta on MU
7:43 p.m.
Home Site: Mafia Universe Games Played: 31 Overall Win Rate: 17/31 [54.8%] Town Win Rate: 13/23 [56.5%] Mafia Win Rate: 4/6 [66.7%] Other Win Rate: 0/2 [0.0%]
7:43 p.m.
here are links to all my games
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i could be wrong i’m gonna just let u do ur thing, i’m likely never voting u d1 here anyways
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(well i have some on alt accounts, but those were all townrands)
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didistetter, ah that explains it. are u also stettflix?
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yes lol but stettflix was for a movie draft thread
7:44 p.m.
its not been in a mafia game
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@Stett can i put on the spot, and ask for read list
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FreshSpice
@Stett can i put on the spot, and ask for read list
i tr u and aqua, doggo is light sl but pending on how he produces content, and i am not going to share my reads on ernie and xiaysa untill doggo does the siaysa iso
7:46 p.m.
*xiaysa sorry
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🚶‍♂️‍➡️ i wanted ur read on xia and ernie
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well tough cookies :p
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cause i mean u sl doggo but ur voting ernie
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is there a way to get mu to show only moutainous/low role games?
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i want to see how doggo makes his read before i say what i'm thinking
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DoggoLost
is there a way to get mu to show only moutainous/low role games?
anything not labelled mash is lower role: i dont really do role madnes sgames that often
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fresh do u feel like playing with jen makes u more... hyper?
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Stett
i want to see how doggo makes his read before i say what i'm thinking
right, and how does change off him to ernie relate?
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FreshSpice
right, and how does change off him to ernie relate?
im not elaborating on ernie. until i get doggos response to xia's iso.
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DoggoLost
fresh do u feel like playing with jen makes u more... hyper?
tbh i play however i feel like playing but i guess having someone close to you does make me hyper? idk what’s the point of the question tho
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anything not labelled mash is lower role: i dont really do role madnes sgames that often
dumb queston, where wqould u see those labels? like if it was mash or not? just a part of the thread title?
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DoggoLost
is there a way to get mu to show only moutainous/low role games?
this is a mentor game and battlestar galatica are both vanilla + townrands. anon games are harder to sort b/c of the account system
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Stett
im not elaborating on ernie. until i get doggos response to xia's iso.
but how does ernie relate to doggo reading xia, im sorry but this doesn’t make sense
7:49 p.m.
i’ll wait tho
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FreshSpice
tbh i play however i feel like playing but i guess having someone close to you does make me hyper? idk what’s the point of the question tho
i mean ur def different, trying to baseline stuff
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but it just doesn’t make sense to me
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FreshSpice
but how does ernie relate to doggo reading xia, im sorry but this doesn’t make sense
:wowee: ofc it doesnt make sense im not explaining it
7:50 p.m.
clearly i sl ernie tho b/c im voting him
7:50 p.m.
and u can wait on elaboration till i get the ISO i want
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alright I’ll look forward to that
7:50 p.m.
i feel like i need sleep
7:51 p.m.
but i feel like my mind is gonna be overflowing with thoughts so at the same time i can’t sleep
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https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/46055 if u wanna meta dive this is probs my best town recent game since i didnt die n1. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/45985 and this is my most recent scum game that wasnt a mash
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im not elaborating on ernie. until i get doggos response to xia's iso.
did u still want it? so far she seems normalish but tbh it's not like i have deep meta on her. but so far it reads as fluffy busy low content mostly null if not a super super slight tl.
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Stett
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/46055 if u wanna meta dive this is probs my best town recent game since i didnt die n1. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/45985 and this is my most recent scum game that wasnt a mash
do you think ur polarised?
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DoggoLost
did u still want it? so far she seems normalish but tbh it's not like i have deep meta on her. but so far it reads as fluffy busy low content mostly null if not a super super slight tl.
curious if there are any specific posts that stuck out to you
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FreshSpice
do you think ur polarised?
.... i dont want to be but i currently am
7:52 p.m.
lack of polarization requires experience
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DoggoLost
btw wut's ur homesite
mm
7:53 p.m.
with fresh
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Stett
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/46055 if u wanna meta dive this is probs my best town recent game since i didnt die n1. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/45985 and this is my most recent scum game that wasnt a mash
im too lazy, i’ll pass on reading this 😗
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currently im unwilling to nerf my town games for the sake of beating polarization, but i don't rand scum that much so i havent had the chance to practice and improve yet
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on my 8min break from choir
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FreshSpice
im too lazy, i’ll pass on reading this 😗
.........didn't you say you already read some of it? 🤨
7:54 p.m.
those links were for doggo tho
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Stett
.........didn't you say you already read some of it? 🤨
u said ur town game is different for champs…
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FreshSpice
u said ur town game is different for champs…
you said you read eel invitational
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Stett
curious if there are any specific posts that stuck out to you
honestly the only thing that sticks out to me was the b tier explanation because i didn't even know it. there's not really much from her to stick out and i feel like scrutinizing her abnormally at this stage will make her unconsciously or consciously change her behavior. which i don't want.
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Stett
you said you read eel invitational
i repeatedly told u i barely read eel
7:55 p.m.
i simply iso u and skimmed through ur first page
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DoggoLost
honestly the only thing that sticks out to me was the b tier explanation because i didn't even know it. there's not really much from her to stick out and i feel like scrutinizing her abnormally at this stage will make her unconsciously or consciously change her behavior. which i don't want.
5upThink
7:55 p.m.
can you elaborate on that second line please?
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second sentence?
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i feel like scrutinizing her abnormally at this stage will make her unconsciously or consciously change her behavior. which i don't want.
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FreshSpice
i simply iso u and skimmed through ur first page
so why read more of my townrand lol? the wolf one should give you more information on whether im a threat or not
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she's not someone who i'd want to reaction test this early before i get more of a baseline
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Stett
so why read more of my townrand lol? the wolf one should give you more information on whether im a threat or not
so u think reading scumrand is more important than town rand?
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too early of a reaction test creates stagnation, vibes checks and subtle tests are better
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this isn’t even related to this game anymore, but i disagree with you
7:58 p.m.
reading town is probably more important for meta diving, and then scum rand is good to figure out what is towny about their scum game
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FreshSpice
so u think reading scumrand is more important than town rand?
yeah? i think it's pretty easy to townread people, so seeing whether or not they're capable of being towny as a wolf gives you most info on their skill and flexibility
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FreshSpice
reading town is probably more important for meta diving, and then scum rand is good to figure out what is towny about their scum game
lol i disagree. reading town is useful if they are giving you scum vibes, and you want to cross check if it's NAI for them or not
8:00 p.m.
like for instance: if i keep sussing ernie, reading a towngame might help to clarify if its a playstyle dif or not
8:00 p.m.
but i overtownread people more often than i overscumread people
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DoggoLost
she's not someone who i'd want to reaction test this early before i get more of a baseline
how is scrutinization = to a reaction test what
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Stett
lol i disagree. reading town is useful if they are giving you scum vibes, and you want to cross check if it's NAI for them or not
i get to understand a player better when i’m going through their town game, cause they are mafia they are naturally fabricating their archetype, so getting a feel for a players archetype and who they tend to read town and mafia to me is way more important than seeing their ability as mafia
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how important do you consider conversation and asking questions in the process of solving in mafia? @DoggoLost
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Stett
how is scrutinization = to a reaction test what
? like how is scrutinizing NOT a form of a reaction test? 😂
8:02 p.m.
what does scrutinizing mean to u 5upCry
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we defining words now 💀
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Stett
how important do you consider conversation and asking questions in the process of solving in mafia? @DoggoLost
i think covo is very important. questions can be or can not be, context depends a lot.
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stett stopped debating with me
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so i’m going to sleep now fr
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(this time im GENUINELY not coming back)
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gn fresh
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FreshSpice
stett stopped debating with me
i just fundamentally disagree with you, but philozophizing about mafia isn't gonna help solve this specific game in this specific context so it just derails chat and doesnt help me solve you or anyone else lol
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tomorrow gonna be crazy btw.
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Stett
i just fundamentally disagree with you, but philozophizing about mafia isn't gonna help solve this specific game in this specific context so it just derails chat and doesnt help me solve you or anyone else lol
boring
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no u >:(
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DoggoLost
i think covo is very important. questions can be or can not be, context depends a lot.
5upThink so why not try to use any of xiaysa's content to start a convo?
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Stett
what does scrutinizing mean to u 5upCry
i mean half the time when i scrutinize players i go on them hard and make them frustrated to judge their emotion and see their logic under pressure
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Stett
5upThink so why not try to use any of xiaysa's content to start a convo?
she's tired and trying to sleep ._.
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i mean ya but it can be for later
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like did u even read her messages?
8:06 p.m.
sasking a q =/= ANSWER ME RIGHT NOW OR ELSE
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its putting the thought out there to instigate a discussion whenever the person is willing/able to respond
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no but vibing with a sleeping person means no vibes
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dw, i'm still somewhat awake
8:07 p.m.
99Ayay
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i get the feeling that u are waaaay more of an analytical-first player than i am
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DoggoLost
i mean half the time when i scrutinize players i go on them hard and make them frustrated to judge their emotion and see their logic under pressure
gl making me frustrated tho, i'd say mEhh
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@FreshSpice anyways the answer was i thought xia had one really awk prompty post towards ernie that felt w/w and i wanted to see if doggo noticed it or cared but he didnt
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i am an emotional player who then spends an agonizing amount of time to check my emotions and sort through them for worlds that make sense
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Xiafather
gl making me frustrated tho, i'd say mEhh
c tier for cute play style
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o thank you Hehe
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xiaysa, any early thoughts so far?
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celestia is the only one with zero messages right? or did i miss someone
8:10 p.m.
also can't remember if u said this, but have u played with anyone here other than me or fresh?
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DoggoLost
celestia is the only one with zero messages right? or did i miss someone
wanobi hasnt psoted yet either afaik
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ah ty
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Stett
@FreshSpice anyways the answer was i thought xia had one really awk prompty post towards ernie that felt w/w and i wanted to see if doggo noticed it or cared but he didnt
ah what post was this?
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@FreshSpice also ftr that felt kinda like some super fake awk paranoia for only 2 hours into the day and it's timing with me switching off doggo is noted :3
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Xiafather
who do you think is the most sus rn Ernie, if you had to choose
this one ^
8:13 p.m.
it didnt super make sense for ernie to have reads at the time, and xia hadnt even given reads, so it kinda felt like potential w/w prompting of a partner to make content or give them an in
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Stett
this one ^
yeah that message doesn't ping me. dun wanna break rules by explaining much but to me the post makes emotional sense.
8:14 p.m.
how would explaining why you dont mind it break rules...
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following the rules is hard, idk if i should pull a bunny and do what she does or if that would not be appropriate in a tourney.
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it just reminds me of the kinda prompting i see in rvs from w/w a lot lol. (this is an example of what i'm talking about, w/w interaction from rvs stage) (finished game, not ongoing)
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DoggoLost
following the rules is hard, idk if i should pull a bunny and do what she does or if that would not be appropriate in a tourney.
well i wont press it if it risks anything. but is this based off your knowledge of how xia or ernie talks in general? or is it just disagreeing with the read of it feeling prompting
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Stett
it just reminds me of the kinda prompting i see in rvs from w/w a lot lol. (this is an example of what i'm talking about, w/w interaction from rvs stage) (finished game, not ongoing)
hmm yeah ur ecxample feels a bit more forced than wut xiaysa did. but now that u gave an example i can kiiinda see ur point
8:20 p.m.
still don't think it's AI in this case
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:curtain: also that message in the center is why i jumping on you for asking who to read instead and if there was serious content instead of finding your own way
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DoggoLost
xiaysa, any early thoughts so far?
stett is obviously really, how to say, she goes forward a lot? she seems to be actively trying to dig out other players' interactions and thoughts, trying to make there be some activity in the chat that could be helpful for solving from what i can tell so far XiaThink as for aqua, not much of an opinion there yet honestly, i don't feel like i got much to be able to judge her as of now, mostly seems carefree from what i have seen as for fresh, it has been a lil while since we last played, but from what i can recall rn at least, i'd say he seems fine so far from what i've read, no specific thoughts yet either (it has been too long so i don't remember too much rn, + it's 2am gg) doggo is, well, being himself i'd say? he's reading the chat, picking up on things and sharing his thoughts XiaThink
8:21 p.m.
that's what i can think of so far with my half-awake brain
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Stett
well i wont press it if it risks anything. but is this based off your knowledge of how xia or ernie talks in general? or is it just disagreeing with the read of it feeling prompting
it's based more on xiay's baseline. i agree in many contexts that it can sound prompting, but i don't necessarily think when xiay does it that is has to be w/w prompting.
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Stett
this one ^
and i mostly just went with the flow without thinking with that as well, but i simply asked him because i was curious what he'd say from having just a quick glance in the chat
8:23 p.m.
KoiCOMFY
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Xiafather
and i mostly just went with the flow without thinking with that as well, but i simply asked him because i was curious what he'd say from having just a quick glance in the chat
5upNotes icic
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i often don't think, i just do thinking is tiring
8:23 p.m.
Sip
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DoggoLost
it's based more on xiay's baseline. i agree in many contexts that it can sound prompting, but i don't necessarily think when xiay does it that is has to be w/w prompting.
i mean you can just say "she does this a lot as town" if that's the argument then :p
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Stett
i mean you can just say "she does this a lot as town" if that's the argument then :p
i could but
8:24 p.m.
but
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but
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8:25 p.m.
a lot is an understatement, but the context can fit this time
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have we even played much of any games together before doggo, excluding on-going ones? thinks
8:25 p.m.
i can't remember, been too long since i was a lot more into mafia
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i think it was just 1 past game? and then talk in general and art
8:26 p.m.
lemme look at playerlists again
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well at the least xiaysa and doggo def not w/w
8:26 p.m.
5upSip
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DoggoLost
i think it was just 1 past game? and then talk in general and art
i did at least co-host a game that you played in, from what i remember
8:28 p.m.
since that was pretty recent
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yeah just searched, and we haven't played any non active games together, u just hosted me xD I did read the two mason games u were in though back when i was searching ngekop meta tho
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yeahh
8:32 p.m.
my one game with fresh was my very first game here too
8:32 p.m.
i remember i didn't like him back then at first during that game XiaKEK
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hmm u haven't played a ton of recent games
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yeah, i sort of lost my motivation for maf games after a bad experience during a game where i ended up crying because i felt bullied
8:33 p.m.
but like eh, now i'm slowly getting back into it
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and i care less
8:33 p.m.
SmugSip
8:33 p.m.
just gotta learn to not take anything personally with these games
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oof x.x yeah i'm still learning to not get wrapped up into bad game experiences too
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yeep
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when was ur last scum game?
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i tried a few times here and there, but just always ended up replacing out because i just couldn't get into it
8:35 p.m.
uuhh let's see
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i don't remember actually LMAO
8:35 p.m.
lemme check rq
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ah found one
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ne82 i believe, tho i replaced out then as well during it, with nge taking over
8:36 p.m.
was my most recent one
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oh didn't see that one due to the replace, one i found was ne 67
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oof yeah, i screwed up then during that game
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yeah uh mel as a scum partner must have been interesting
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yeaahh
8:37 p.m.
interesting to say the least
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town looks cracked tho with free kop jen
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Xiafather
yeah, i sort of lost my motivation for maf games after a bad experience during a game where i ended up crying because i felt bullied
🫂 those are actually the worst. glad you're getting back into it and hope recent games have been kinder
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DoggoLost
oh didn't see that one due to the replace, one i found was ne 67
mafs games that i've won tho, would be ne63, as well as quals (match 12) (solo gf win) in the last tournament
8:42 p.m.
just had to double check whic matches it was
8:42 p.m.
i was also gf in match 19 in the semifinals iirc
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wut does solo gf win mean?
8:43 p.m.
oh godfather?
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ye godfather
8:43 p.m.
didn't win the semis match tho, ofc
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ayy at least i am slowly getting better with the acronyms
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Stett
🫂 those are actually the worst. glad you're getting back into it and hope recent games have been kinder
yee but it happens sadly, sometimes it's easy for games to get a lil rough it has been a lil hard to get fully back into it, but eh at least i try
8:44 p.m.
smugsip
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DoggoLost
ayy at least i am slowly getting better with the acronyms
yee am proud of you!
8:46 p.m.
O WAIT NO
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going to go elsewhere for a bit, will check in here at least once more before i go to sleep
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i wasn't gf in the semifinals there aaa
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i think i really should sleep
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u were town in that game?
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DoggoLost
u were town in that game?
yeah, i was
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okie
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i ended up getting frustrated during that game too
8:47 p.m.
but mih helped talked me back into staying focused
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right, i was gf in quals in both match 12 and 13
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aight ima go elsewhere for a bit, i'll check back here before i sleep tho
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but lost 13
8:47 p.m.
alrightt cya!
8:47 p.m.
imma go finally get some sleep
8:48 p.m.
XiaSleep
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good morning
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fresh go back to sleep
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Xiafather
imma go finally get some sleep
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Xiafather
alrightt cya!
wakey wakey
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FreshSpice
wakey wakey
NO
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why
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lemme sleeep
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Stett
@FreshSpice also ftr that felt kinda like some super fake awk paranoia for only 2 hours into the day and it's timing with me switching off doggo is noted :3
bro what 💀
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fresh leave her alone D:
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(it's okay i got notifs muted on my phone anyways)
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@Stett also if that was fake to you than why do you even town read me?
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Stett
@FreshSpice anyways the answer was i thought xia had one really awk prompty post towards ernie that felt w/w and i wanted to see if doggo noticed it or cared but he didnt
right, and from doggo not noticing it, what did u get from that?
8:55 p.m.
ok i think doggo is sounding more like his usual self than before, he is still posting a lot fluff, but he doesn’t feel to me like he is getting as pressured as he usually does
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Xiafather
stett is obviously really, how to say, she goes forward a lot? she seems to be actively trying to dig out other players' interactions and thoughts, trying to make there be some activity in the chat that could be helpful for solving from what i can tell so far XiaThink as for aqua, not much of an opinion there yet honestly, i don't feel like i got much to be able to judge her as of now, mostly seems carefree from what i have seen as for fresh, it has been a lil while since we last played, but from what i can recall rn at least, i'd say he seems fine so far from what i've read, no specific thoughts yet either (it has been too long so i don't remember too much rn, + it's 2am gg) doggo is, well, being himself i'd say? he's reading the chat, picking up on things and sharing his thoughts XiaThink
can i ask on why u left out ernie in this read list?
8:59 p.m.
ik he hasn’t said much, but i feel like is content quantity isn’t that far from aqua’s
8:59 p.m.
XIA U SAID U HAD NO NOTIFICATIONS!!!
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WHY U TYPING??
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ah, honestly I just forgot about him
8:59 p.m.
AND WHY ARE YOU AWAKE
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Xiafather
ah, honestly I just forgot about him
LOOOL 💀💀💀
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Xiafather
AND WHY ARE YOU AWAKE
Cause when i think too much i can’t sleep
9:00 p.m.
it’s like a curse
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i close my eyes, and then i have thoughts running through my head
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and i can’t stop it
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it doesn’t even have to be mafia related, i just can’t stop it, i feel like this game is gonna fuck up my sleep schedule
9:01 p.m.
and ur time zone is worse than mine isn’t it like 4am or 5am for u?
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as for my thoughts on Ernie, since you reminded me of his existence not really much to be said, he dropped by for a little bit didn't exactly say much nor interact a whole lot before he disappeared again
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FreshSpice
and ur time zone is worse than mine isn’t it like 4am or 5am for u?
it's 3am rn
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Xiafather
as for my thoughts on Ernie, since you reminded me of his existence not really much to be said, he dropped by for a little bit didn't exactly say much nor interact a whole lot before he disappeared again
he did reply to you with read tho
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and also, same
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Xiafather
it's 3am rn
wait where are u?
9:02 p.m.
ur telling me norway has the same time zone as switzerland?
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FreshSpice
he did reply to you with read tho
yeah, he did so it's at least a little but still no specific thoughts on his alignment from that
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FreshSpice
ur telling me norway has the same time zone as switzerland?
yes
9:03 p.m.
seems like it
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@Xiafather … if i can’t sleep again…
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im suffocating myself with magnesium
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uh oh
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my sleep schedule was so good
9:04 p.m.
i swear
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i was sleeping at 10
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well, worst case you can just share all your thoughts with someone or something
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how tf did i jump 5 hours
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worst case, talk to a plushie
9:04 p.m.
SmugSip
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FreshSpice
how tf did i jump 5 hours
such sorcery
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i ain’t got a plushy
9:05 p.m.
i only have a pillow
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i can’t just talk to a pillow
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you can if you're desperate enough
9:05 p.m.
maybe add some goggly eyes to it if you wanna make it a lil more life-like
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Xiafather
you can if you're desperate enough
are u insinuating…
9:06 p.m.
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no.. I would never
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sip
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sad
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anyways
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5th take
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let’s go to sleep
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gn xia
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gngn
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XiaSleep
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WAITING ON A LIKE FOR FOOD AT 10PM
9:53 p.m.
GO TO SLEEP DOCTOR fat
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FreshSpice
i ain’t got a plushy
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hi
9:54 p.m.
alolan sandshrew 🩵
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hi aqua
9:54 p.m.
mons player?
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what’s mons
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So they're 5 players and 3 goons
9:56 p.m.
If we mislyched rn then it's over next night
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do we have to vote first day?
9:59 p.m.
guessing yes
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Celestia
If we mislyched rn then it's over next night
if we vote an inno d1 they don’t die
9:59 p.m.
and there’s no night phase
10:00 p.m.
a mislynch here would conf an inno?
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Celestia
If we mislyched rn then it's over next night
Thonk im trying to decide if this is a real derp or not
10:43 p.m.
miselim D1 -> everyone still technically alive D2, miselim D2, its 4v3, elim maf D3: town + maf die, 3v2
10:43 p.m.
game ends after 3 miselims: but that's only if we kill wrong today specifically
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how did u get from 4v3 to 3v2
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aquamxrinee
how did u get from 4v3 to 3v2
d1 miselim dies with first maf death
10:44 p.m.
so lose one from each side
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ohhhhh
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i see
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but also
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we just wont miselim :p
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aren’t we required to eliminate d1
10:45 p.m.
we shall simply
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ok just checking
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~kill a woof~
10:45 p.m.
p sure its no skip
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i still feel good about you and fresh
10:45 p.m.
i think
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forced elim every day
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dog doesn’t give me scum vibes
10:46 p.m.
kotruce and wanobi still haven’t talked right
10:46 p.m.
hmmm i don’t like that
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whos kotruce?
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i can’t read if ppl aren’t talking
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aquamxrinee
dog doesn’t give me scum vibes
ah see
10:47 p.m.
here's where you're running into the problem im having
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Stett
whos kotruce?
i was looking at the votes for users
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both doggo and xia felt kinda ?ok? livetiming earlier
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ya
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xia to me esp
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but thats already too many trs :wowee:
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doggo felt better than xia to me
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so im already comf townreading a maf at some level
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but i need the afks to talk
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so celestia dropping in with a derp is
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Thonk
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sus
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wanobi is only 0 logs rn
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i don’t think i can accurately read with 2 whole afks (edited)
10:49 p.m.
how do you check logs
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Celestia
If we mislyched rn then it's over next night
o/ welcome in! do you have any thoughts on the game yet? any first impressions? how much have you read? why was this your choice of entry message?
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Stett
o/ welcome in! do you have any thoughts on the game yet? any first impressions? how much have you read? why was this your choice of entry message?
bot (edited)
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aquamxrinee
how do you check logs
idk how to iso on discord mobile but i just search from: playername in: #co19-q2-chat on desktop
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oh yeah i’m on mobile womp womp
10:51 p.m.
oh i got it
10:51 p.m.
oh kotruce is ernie
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oohhhhhhhh
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nvm that’s 1 afk
10:52 p.m.
but still many people who haven’t contributed much
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i mean yeah content wise both celestia and ernie have
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they both kinda memed out if you know what i mean
10:53 p.m.
it’s kinda giving “i’m scum and am scared of being sussed so ima just avoid game”
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shruge maybe
10:53 p.m.
that's not exactly a winning strat so
10:53 p.m.
i wanna see what they cook
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fresh says that xias behavior is normal for townie her
10:54 p.m.
like i think i trust that more than celeste and ernie’s behavior rn
10:54 p.m.
but i’m not sure
10:54 p.m.
i wanna see more from all of them
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ya thats p much where im at lol
10:54 p.m.
i just wanna see celestia and ernie put out some thoughts, see wanobi join the game
10:55 p.m.
and then start digging and evaling once peeps have put out content
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like i’m down to meme and have fun a little but you can’t just do that and not talk game it’s sus
10:55 p.m.
yeah i need wanobi to talk
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tbf we're only 5 hours into the day
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yeah
10:55 p.m.
maybe i’m jumping but i feel like townies just want to jump to reading
10:56 p.m.
at least i do. the more talking the more we can figure out stuff
10:56 p.m.
i find the more active players are usually inno tbh
10:56 p.m.
they seem like they’re ghosting
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catsit not the most eurasian friendly sod so if any of the more afk slots are eastern hemisphere then they'll probs join son enough
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i wonder if they are
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celestia just saying that and then dipping is
10:57 p.m.
:wowee: tho
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yeah that was def ghosting like behavior
10:59 p.m.
if i dip its cause im falling asleep and dont feel like thinking much atm
10:59 p.m.
it’s 11 and i got a 9am
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5upNap get eep
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Ernie
Honestly I'm not that active day 1 at the start cause it starts kinda late for me majority of the time but in the morning I try to read a bit, I normally get a couple reads and give people my couple reads
he said sod was bad so hopefully more ernie content tommorow
11:06 p.m.
i will say: and im trying to mentally adjust for this: i'm used to mafia kinda townreading me and ignoring me so they can just kill me off n1, but that won't work in this gamestate. mafia cant kill town through any means besides elim: so there's less incentive to tr and ignore. the only way to have a true inno child is intentional miselim d1, but i doubt that's worth it. so i plan to be wayyyy less charitable towards people pushing me in bad faith or trying to stir up paranoia, b/c that's 100% wolf wincon here. they need to get 3 miselims off, and you can't have loud ass townies with threadpull to do that
11:08 p.m.
(thats part of why i was kinda squinting at you randomly being like "ugh im paranoid you're kinda controlling uwu" fwiw) @FreshSpice
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aquamxrinee
what’s mons
meant pokie manz, sorry
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Celestia
If we mislyched rn then it's over next night
there's no night cycles tho
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Stett
we just wont miselim :p
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Stett
~kill a woof~
see, when u add that little bit of extra ~pizzazz~ then the vibes can flow better
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Stett
wanobi is only 0 logs rn
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aquamxrinee
like i’m down to meme and have fun a little but you can’t just do that and not talk game it’s sus
sadge
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Stett
i will say: and im trying to mentally adjust for this: i'm used to mafia kinda townreading me and ignoring me so they can just kill me off n1, but that won't work in this gamestate. mafia cant kill town through any means besides elim: so there's less incentive to tr and ignore. the only way to have a true inno child is intentional miselim d1, but i doubt that's worth it. so i plan to be wayyyy less charitable towards people pushing me in bad faith or trying to stir up paranoia, b/c that's 100% wolf wincon here. they need to get 3 miselims off, and you can't have loud ass townies with threadpull to do that
inch resting. personally i think aiming for an innocent child like that is kind of weird to even think about. it seems like u were almost close to volunteering for that role xD (obv i get it wasn't actually volunteering tho) the thing tho is the inno child would die if we ever mislynch again, right? I think that's the biggest problem with it
11:42 p.m.
alright i need my Zs, tomorrow i will be super distracted with election stuff but I want to hear more from @Celestia @Ernie @WaNObI.
11:43 p.m.
also uhh everyone, i wanna know what superpower u would choose if u could have any 1 superpower in the world.
11:43 p.m.
I'd want healing powers
11:44 p.m.
I often play clerics 😄
11:45 p.m.
hmmm yeah, superpowers and/or what character class u would be if irl life was an rpg
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i will say: and im trying to mentally adjust for this: i'm used to mafia kinda townreading me and ignoring me so they can just kill me off n1, but that won't work in this gamestate. mafia cant kill town through any means besides elim: so there's less incentive to tr and ignore. the only way to have a true inno child is intentional miselim d1, but i doubt that's worth it. so i plan to be wayyyy less charitable towards people pushing me in bad faith or trying to stir up paranoia, b/c that's 100% wolf wincon here. they need to get 3 miselims off, and you can't have loud ass townies with threadpull to do that
i feel like you are kinda forcing this narrative a bit too much, specially considering i said i had no intention to push you considering it’s 2 flags, specially now more than ever cause now if celestia’s derp is clear, that is aqua, celestia (3/5) possible town reads, and then 2 town in you ernie doggo xia and wanobi. no disrespect to you but i feel like id be stupid to town core you at any point in this game, just cause ik what ur capable of. I want to go about d1 with who i scum read and not have to judge whether a wagon you build is sheepable (then again if we come to similar susses than that won’t be a problem). The same way you TL me and ur keeping an eye on me, is the same way that i TL you and im keeping an eye on you
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@WaNObI @Celestia hi
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ok, i don’t feel like waiting till 24 hours to start giving some actual thought into this game
1:56 a.m.
As of right now, aqua is prob my only town core, mainly cause she is very new to long form mafia, and her gameplay is identical to her latest town game in her game. I think her derp is probably real, even though i could tell whilst pressuring her that she was mumbling in her own words and slightly contradicting at times, but i feel like that can happen as town. Now for celestia my main concern is that i feel like if scum saw aqua being derp cleared early on in the game, it’s very possible for there to be an incentive to copy that. so i want to see how celestia approaches the game first
1:57 a.m.
i also feel like @Celestia latest NE game she was way more engaged with the game and one of the most active players, i’m wondering where her loss of interest may fall in this game
2:00 a.m.
@Ernie even though he hasn’t said much in game he is playing very similar to his every other game in terms of content and he could genuinely be town, but he isn’t responding to pressure in the way i’d expect him to, and that’s not a good sign
2:05 a.m.
@Xiafather I feel like as town you typically refuse to force urself to make reads u don’t want to, and i noticed from last tournament u tend to have a larger scum pool in terms of searching, than town pool. as in u usually have more scum leans as town, and u are typically actively searching for mafia as town, whilst as Mafia you usually town search to avoid attention. Also, your question on ernie to make reads very early game i don’t feel like it’s like you considering you typically don’t engage in much questioning early on, it kinda felt like you were under pressure to do so…
2:09 a.m.
i looked at ur game against mih and caitlin semi finals, and u we’re kinda refusing to feel pressured into making reads, voting outside of your own pace, and when u did it was mostly scum pool and paranoia, and i’ve seen u do it in other games as town. I also never really seen you build a line of questioning and pressure that early in the game. i feel like if you somehow decided to play differently this game you would keep that style of play throughout the day
2:12 a.m.
@DoggoLost I feel like your very start did ping me sus, and it was a bit shaky, like u we’re awkward on how to approach the game, as u start going on i did start feeling like your gameplay was looking more like usual, but at the same time i can’t ignore the very start, considering, that’s where mafia messes up the most
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@Stett Now stett for last, cause i feel like this is like my trickiest read to make, cause in a way if i build a town core of 5 towns with the addition of stett, idk how i would place him in terms of my poe. there were also times were his messages to me didn’t make much sense, like when he waited for doggo to make a read on xia, i don’t see how whether he noticed the xia thing could be AI, specially when stett herself mentioned it as odd right after, so it’s not something that anyone couldn’t pick on, it’s just more on how a player reads that situation. Also i didn’t really understand the whole w/w thing with ernie and xia, cause how is that insinuating they are paired? and also if xia wanted to help ernie by making reads then couldn’t she literally just ask him in private mafia server to make some reads? the pairing thing just doesn’t make sense. Then there is also the times where she put pressure on me for things that i felt like where inherently obvious asf even for her. i don’t want to town core this slot, just cause i can see problems in it, and specially now that she is kinda forcing a world where i might be scum, when im considering the potential for their to be a mafia world in her gameplay, it kinda feels forced to me and just overall not genuine. Im willing to see how her reads progress this game, but i don’t like parts of her game. i feel like if she is mafia, the logical thing to do is probably to take me out of consensus town, specially if im the only one who is considering the chance that she might not be pure.
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Current Read List: Town read: aquamxrinee Town lean: Celestia (could come back down depending on her game) Null: Ernie (closer to town lean just need more from him) Stett (yes, i don’t TL her anymore) Scum Lean: Doggo Xia Hasn’t spoken: Wanobi (this list is in order, btw)
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FreshSpice
i also feel like @Celestia latest NE game she was way more engaged with the game and one of the most active players, i’m wondering where her loss of interest may fall in this game
I'm quite busy right now unfortunately
3:13 a.m.
I'll be coming back once I'm done finishing my work
3:14 a.m.
I think I'll be having some few analysis and reads once I've read through all the chats
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@Xiafather I feel like as town you typically refuse to force urself to make reads u don’t want to, and i noticed from last tournament u tend to have a larger scum pool in terms of searching, than town pool. as in u usually have more scum leans as town, and u are typically actively searching for mafia as town, whilst as Mafia you usually town search to avoid attention. Also, your question on ernie to make reads very early game i don’t feel like it’s like you considering you typically don’t engage in much questioning early on, it kinda felt like you were under pressure to do so…
as for my reads, that's just something I'm trying to slowly work on since it's typically a lack of reads that makes people often suspect me early game (especially when they don't know me as well) as for how many scum or town leans I got in a game, depends a lot on how well I know the other players as well. during the last tournament it wasn't long after I had been an active maf player (before I got less motivated) so I was more familiar with other players then, than i feel i am now. I'm not super super familiar with ANYONE in this game, how do you expect me to have a clear idea for who to sl or tl this early on, exactly? me seeming to be under pressure to make reads is honestly just me trying to pressure myself more to try to contribute a bit more than I normally would shrug_weeb since i want to somehow get better at doing reads did it seem unnatural? sure, but keep in mind, it's not like me to do so, and do you really think I'd be willing to take such a gamble if I really was maf rn? up to you to believe me or not ofc, but just thought I'd explain myself
3:16 a.m.
KoiCOMFY
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I want to try to improve and that won't ever happen unless I actually try to force myself to change sure, I'll prolly seem a bit awkward because if it, because it's true, I don't like to do the questioning much
3:23 a.m.
PaimonNom
3:24 a.m.
well I'll be back again a lil later to share my own thoughts a bit more for now I need more sleep
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as for my reads, that's just something I'm trying to slowly work on since it's typically a lack of reads that makes people often suspect me early game (especially when they don't know me as well) as for how many scum or town leans I got in a game, depends a lot on how well I know the other players as well. during the last tournament it wasn't long after I had been an active maf player (before I got less motivated) so I was more familiar with other players then, than i feel i am now. I'm not super super familiar with ANYONE in this game, how do you expect me to have a clear idea for who to sl or tl this early on, exactly? me seeming to be under pressure to make reads is honestly just me trying to pressure myself more to try to contribute a bit more than I normally would shrug_weeb since i want to somehow get better at doing reads did it seem unnatural? sure, but keep in mind, it's not like me to do so, and do you really think I'd be willing to take such a gamble if I really was maf rn? up to you to believe me or not ofc, but just thought I'd explain myself
in the game i’m mentioning where u we’re with caitlin mih and m2h u said u we’re struggling to read them because u didn’t know them and didn’t play much with them. also, i feel like u also have some experience either a couple of players here
4:35 a.m.
@Xiafather can i get some thoughts on the content i posted, outside of my read on you. like do you agree/disagree, and do you maybe have thoughts to add? even better if you could give me new updates read that would be amazing too
4:36 a.m.
i’d like to figure out your slot if you are town
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI @Celestia hi
Hello everyone hope everyone is doing okay
7:21 a.m.
Sorry this is my check in had an interesting 2 days
7:21 a.m.
Let me do a quick read of whats been happening
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DoggoLost
alright i need my Zs, tomorrow i will be super distracted with election stuff but I want to hear more from @Celestia @Ernie @WaNObI.
Good morning super powers are over powered as if u have them everyone well and world will be chaos but what i would chose is consistency
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Current Read List: Town read: aquamxrinee Town lean: Celestia (could come back down depending on her game) Null: Ernie (closer to town lean just need more from him) Stett (yes, i don’t TL her anymore) Scum Lean: Doggo Xia Hasn’t spoken: Wanobi (this list is in order, btw)
Sorry this started at the ams for me and i just got back
7:35 a.m.
In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
7:35 a.m.
I am gonna do an analysis on everyone soon but no body is town to me yet , ohh and i am your lovely town , always been town and cant wait to see how you all play
7:35 a.m.
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DoggoLost
alright i need my Zs, tomorrow i will be super distracted with election stuff but I want to hear more from @Celestia @Ernie @WaNObI.
Mb I went to sleep
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WaNObI
In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
how else do you choose to approach the game, if u are not comparing the lobby as a whole and making reads? cause if this is not what u are doing than ur basically randomising your early game vote
8:19 a.m.
@WaNObI anyways i’ll look forward to that analysis
8:20 a.m.
i really should go back and read all over again, so i can establish so confidence in my list, but im pretty confident there is likely a mafia in xia and doggo
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In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
i don’t want to disrespect you, but u sounded a bit UwU 💀 in your latest game, so i’m a lil confused by the tonality switch. idk how much different is the atmosphere in that game compared to here
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Ernie
Mb I went to sleep
so, could we get something out of you, or is that impossible?
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FreshSpice
so, could we get something out of you, or is that impossible?
Probably not
8:36 a.m.
I haven't read alot yet other then when i was here
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good morning!
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WaNObI
In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
u def can have solid reads early game, in fact that’s where i feel they’re best
8:49 a.m.
before scum gets a chance to try to mess with ur brain
8:50 a.m.
at least me, that’s why i’m so good at 1 min, because my initial reads are good but i’m super gullible
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i don’t want to disrespect you, but u sounded a bit UwU 💀 in your latest game, so i’m a lil confused by the tonality switch. idk how much different is the atmosphere in that game compared to here
More of a i got handed a dying slot of the bat that i cant do anything with , not saying i am gonna be uwu as u put it but at the same time i did call the whole trying to be my friend thing going and was right about it so 🤷‍♂️
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here’s my reads Town Read Don’t want to be too sure yet Town Lean Fresh Stett (these are pretty solid as of rn) Doggo Neutral Ernie (leaning towards town) Celestia (leaning towards scum) Scum Lean Xia Hasnt spoken enough Wanobi (edited)
8:54 a.m.
Xia Wanobi Celestia as scum team wouldn’t shock me
8:54 a.m.
although i find it odd that they’re all so sus
8:54 a.m.
i feel like one is prob inno
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here’s my reads Town Read Don’t want to be too sure yet Town Lean Fresh Stett (these are pretty solid as of rn) Doggo Neutral Ernie (leaning towards town) Celestia (leaning towards scum) Scum Lean Xia Hasnt spoken enough Wanobi (edited)
ok so ur celestia thought is leaning towards my second comment
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aquamxrinee
Xia Wanobi Celestia as scum team wouldn’t shock me
that would be me sadcatthumbsup
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here’s my reads Town Read Don’t want to be too sure yet Town Lean Fresh Stett (these are pretty solid as of rn) Doggo Neutral Ernie (leaning towards town) Celestia (leaning towards scum) Scum Lean Xia Hasnt spoken enough Wanobi (edited)
i don’t think stett is as town as you think… cause ngl another thing i noticed about stett, is that for everyone she pressured she had like a prompt, it was question push, question push and then she’d give reads. Ernie has showed up multiple times and has kinda lazy played d1 up to now, but i don’t see stett putting pressure on him or trying to find a way to get content from him prior and after voting him. Also, stett is well aware that whoever get executed today (if town) is alive the next day, and scum is gonna go for the player who either has 0 content or the player who is just very wrong, this is one of the reasons why i kinda wanted to have doggo or xia as the vote initially, cause i didn’t know how much we were getting out of celestia wanobi and ernie. also, like Stett susses me but why isn’t she voting me or pushing me? it’s cause she knows if i get exc today i will have full control over the next day. only time she’ll benefit from pushing me as scum is in D2 if a town or mafia gets executed D1
9:41 a.m.
I feel like there is a strong mafia on the mafia team, otherwise i feel like there would be a consensus if all active players were town
9:42 a.m.
the more i think about it the more im starting to believe stett’s slot is mafia
9:43 a.m.
picking up inconsistencies is usually my strength as town and i’m usually right
9:43 a.m.
last tournament i lost cause i didn’t stick to my reads, im not gonna let that happen this tournament
9:46 a.m.
im starting to feel like if stett gets voted out and she is town, than it wouldn’t be too bad to have her as confirmed town specially if she is able to carry the game onto D2 and D3
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i should probably go through the game
9:54 a.m.
again
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Stett
i gen dont know what ill do the first time i rand scum in a 48/24
what did you mean by this?
10:03 a.m.
how did you get to the idea that she was “idgaf town” in those 4 messages here i see neither the alignment indication and the “idgaf” indication. These feels kinda pockety to me, no disrespect
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i don’t think stett is as town as you think… cause ngl another thing i noticed about stett, is that for everyone she pressured she had like a prompt, it was question push, question push and then she’d give reads. Ernie has showed up multiple times and has kinda lazy played d1 up to now, but i don’t see stett putting pressure on him or trying to find a way to get content from him prior and after voting him. Also, stett is well aware that whoever get executed today (if town) is alive the next day, and scum is gonna go for the player who either has 0 content or the player who is just very wrong, this is one of the reasons why i kinda wanted to have doggo or xia as the vote initially, cause i didn’t know how much we were getting out of celestia wanobi and ernie. also, like Stett susses me but why isn’t she voting me or pushing me? it’s cause she knows if i get exc today i will have full control over the next day. only time she’ll benefit from pushing me as scum is in D2 if a town or mafia gets executed D1
just linking the fact that she knows that D1 exc states alive Here
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Xiafather
so am close to crashing
ok… but xia u stayed awake 3 hours longer than you said u would, gotta fix that insomnia. also idk how to feel about the constant check in and lack of reads and meaningful thread engagement in 3 hours
10:12 a.m.
where is the EGO 💀
10:12 a.m.
@aquamxrinee
10:15 a.m.
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303136363620601986 ^^ I feel like this is kinda ill faith, it’s like ur hoping for her to acknowledge that there is that possibility
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I feel like there is a strong mafia on the mafia team, otherwise i feel like there would be a consensus if all active players were town
i agree
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https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303136363620601986 ^^ I feel like this is kinda ill faith, it’s like ur hoping for her to acknowledge that there is that possibility
cause you clearly phrased it in the way that it could be the case, but it’s clearly not what u believe otherwise u wouldn’t town read me
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Stett
why couldnt his current treatment of u be pockety lol?
i know fresh, he wouldn’t pocket me and if he did it wouldn’t be in this way
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if you think i’m pocketing you’d think im scum not town
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cause you clearly phrased it in the way that it could be the case, but it’s clearly not what u believe otherwise u wouldn’t town read me
i said that the team i mentioned would be too easy, i think you are stett has to flip maf
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aquamxrinee
i know fresh, he wouldn’t pocket me and if he did it wouldn’t be in this way
this was like at the start, i’m going through the whole game again
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FreshSpice
if you think i’m pocketing you’d think im scum not town
i know
10:18 a.m.
i think ur read on me is genuine not pocketing
10:18 a.m.
i do think stett might be an overplaying scum
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aquamxrinee
i think ur read on me is genuine not pocketing
tbh u town told too much 💀, but i feel like even if u didn’t town told i would’ve found u eventually
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tbh u town told too much 💀, but i feel like even if u didn’t town told i would’ve found u eventually
i think town telling isn’t bad actually
10:18 a.m.
there’s no kills
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aquamxrinee
i think town telling isn’t bad actually
actually town telling wasn’t the right word, i mean town slipping
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ohhh
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where u said something that mafias would’ve known
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i don’t think i’m slipping my reads seem pretty decent
10:20 a.m.
xia is my most scum lean rn
10:20 a.m.
i’m keeping my vote on her
10:20 a.m.
for now
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nah ur reads are fine, i don’t particularly agree with doggo read being town, but i can kinda see it, and celestia i think its one of those where its too early
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that’s fair
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i feel like if stett is mafia, it could be with celestia
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i’m most certain on the ernie/xia read
10:20 a.m.
more so xia
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Well the dr is actually fresh ngl , i love your reasoning
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wanobi can i hear more from u
10:21 a.m.
u been kinda ghosting
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i’m most certain on the ernie/xia read
ernie could be one of those like bionic who just act the same uninterested as town and mafia (like solarbear 💀)
10:21 a.m.
but i sure asf do not want that dude to be my d1 exc
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ernie could be one of those like bionic who just act the same uninterested as town and mafia (like solarbear 💀)
NAHHHH NOT SOLAR
10:21 a.m.
yeah
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aquamxrinee
u been kinda ghosting
Ofcourse you will , i havent its just when game started it was i. The early ams for me and i had a long day and didnt get to rest yet
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i think xia is a good d1 exc
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WaNObI
Well the dr is actually fresh ngl , i love your reasoning
dont pocket me 🏃‍♂️
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So i skimmed but didnt deep dive
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WaNObI
Ofcourse you will , i havent its just when game started it was i. The early ams for me and i had a long day and didnt get to rest yet
okay but now you can share your reads
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aquamxrinee
i think xia is a good d1 exc
i agree with this, but i want to see how stett responds to me
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ok ngl this is not a village/village/village interaction between us 3
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FreshSpice
dont pocket me 🏃‍♂️
Not my intention keep scum reading me but you like how i think remember i just got to know you so yeah (edited)
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aquamxrinee
okay but now you can share your reads
That is the plan
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nah there’s a scum between the 3 of us and it’s not me
10:23 a.m.
am i the only one seeing this
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WaNObI
Not my intention keep scum reading me but you like how i think remember i just got to know you so yeah (edited)
ur not allowed to edit btw
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oh sometimes i edited my grammatical errors i’ll stop
10:23 a.m.
i didn’t know that💀
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FreshSpice
ur not allowed to edit btw
Even a i that was meant to be you 😂 i meant to make it readable
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aquamxrinee
ok ngl this is not a village/village/village interaction between us 3
remember at the start of the game how we thought we were all for sure town 💀💀💀
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FreshSpice
remember at the start of the game how we thought we were all for sure town 💀💀💀
i’m leaning town on u
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aquamxrinee
i didn’t know that💀
i don’t think u have done it this game
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aquamxrinee
oh sometimes i edited my grammatical errors i’ll stop
Thats what i wanted to do didnt know as well
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FreshSpice
i don’t think u have done it this game
i feel like i have
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WaNObI
Thats what i wanted to do didnt know as well
is this ur first game here
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aquamxrinee
is this ur first game here
2nd
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yeah you’re scum
10:24 a.m.
😭
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aquamxrinee
is this ur first game here
I filled in a slot the other day , but you can say this is my first actual game from the start
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still think xia is a better exc but wanobi is giving scum
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So i am fairly new here
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idk his play style tho
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aquamxrinee
still think xia is a better exc but wanobi is giving scum
And this is the result of what exactly
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wanobi could be slipping town too
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WaNObI
And this is the result of what exactly
xia has been here for a while and is still giving scum, she isn’t contributing many genuine reads, u are kinda ghosting too
10:26 a.m.
hence why i rather exc her
10:26 a.m.
i don’t have enough to read you
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Aqua the only thing that is having you give me res vibes is your sounding paranoid which towns u also for me so cool
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@FreshSpice what do we think of cel/stett/xia
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https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303136608945438731 I feel like comments like this, like i get ur inviting pressure to get reaction if ur town, but i don’t see how her response could be anything but NAI
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is maf team random or seeded
10:27 a.m.
because xia/stett/cel as a team makes sense seed wise
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aquamxrinee
xia has been here for a while and is still giving scum, she isn’t contributing many genuine reads, u are kinda ghosting too
Game for me started at 2 am , i stayed asleep tell 10 today had an interview at 11 then went to my old company to finalise my termination got home at 5 pm , its 6:30 me being ghosting is in what sense brotha i have a life HAHhahah
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aquamxrinee
fresh likes to appeal to innos
nah aqua icl, this is crazy 💀 girl hasn’t even played with long form with me
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FreshSpice
nah aqua icl, this is crazy 💀 girl hasn’t even played with long form with me
i’m going off short term
10:30 a.m.
damn fresh r u typing a whole ass exsYA
10:30 a.m.
essay
10:30 a.m.
hurry tf up
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aquamxrinee
@FreshSpice what do we think of cel/stett/xia
i can see cel and stett as a team, not sure about xia, the main thing that pinged me about xia and stett interaction is the fact that stett, had made a clear sus on her i feel like and didn’t vote her, and also the fact that she made a random pairing w/w out of 1 question, that doesn’t actually indicate w/w, i wouldn’t say xia and stett is totally out of the line but idk if that’s the solve
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FreshSpice
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303136608945438731 I feel like comments like this, like i get ur inviting pressure to get reaction if ur town, but i don’t see how her response could be anything but NAI
i agree and feel like stett wouldn’t say “i’m confused” as an inno
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FreshSpice
i can see cel and stett as a team, not sure about xia, the main thing that pinged me about xia and stett interaction is the fact that stett, had made a clear sus on her i feel like and didn’t vote her, and also the fact that she made a random pairing w/w out of 1 question, that doesn’t actually indicate w/w, i wouldn’t say xia and stett is totally out of the line but idk if that’s the solve
yeah i mean it could be scum distancing but im not sure
10:31 a.m.
i don’t want to sheep you because i’m not 100% yet so i’m keeping my vote here for now but i’m not opposed to changing
10:31 a.m.
well i wouldn’t sheep u but it would seem like it
10:32 a.m.
lowkey if we exc scum d1 we probably will win this
10:32 a.m.
so it’s important to really look at voting
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aquamxrinee
fresh ur an easy read
ok i can’t even read back 🚶‍♂️‍➡️aqua is a gorilla ngl
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what is a gorilla
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btw i’m actually good as mafia
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in this sense
10:33 a.m.
wdym i’m a gorilla
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i don’t think you’d have an easy read on me
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aquamxrinee
wdym i’m a gorilla
don’t make me say it
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ok this interaction is making me think i’m correct in my town assumption
10:33 a.m.
i think as maf you would just take it and run with it
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aquamxrinee
lowkey if we exc scum d1 we probably will win this
unless scum busses
10:34 a.m.
and becomes town core
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yea
10:34 a.m.
but a d1 scum ex helps us a lot
10:34 a.m.
idk if xia and stett would be scum together and bus this early
10:35 a.m.
i feel like they would bus their other teammate
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aquamxrinee
but a d1 scum ex helps us a lot
yeah, but tbh i don’t think a town exc will be far from problematic in this kind of lineup, unless the town getting exc has dogshit reads
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prob right
10:35 a.m.
obv i want a scum exc d1 tho
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@WaNObI can u read like at least the very start of the game and try to like make reads as you go
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Just read doggo chats nothing indective more of a coasting slip under the radar vibe
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI can u read like at least the very start of the game and try to like make reads as you go
I am walking through it at random one by one
10:37 a.m.
Will take a little
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WaNObI
I am walking through it at random one by one
cool ty
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To me as somone who dont know dogo is neutral leaning scum honestly
10:37 a.m.
Or trying to learn everyone
10:37 a.m.
But at the same time
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WaNObI
Just read doggo chats nothing indective more of a coasting slip under the radar vibe
i had to reread but what does this mean?
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Sounds reserved kinda
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FreshSpice
i had to reread but what does this mean?
He is too neutral
10:38 a.m.
Like he is worried to fuck up
10:38 a.m.
Amd catch a stray
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WaNObI
Like he is worried to fuck up
that’s how i felt about his start aswell
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But reserved play to me is kinda of hiding stuff under the table
10:38 a.m.
So that why neutral more to a scum lean
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wanobi having the same thought as me is a +
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Starting next person
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but i also feel like doggo’s game is so in the middle of the chat
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By the way
10:39 a.m.
Did everyone check in ?
10:39 a.m.
In the past 24 hours
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WaNObI
Did everyone check in ?
pretty much
10:39 a.m.
celestia has only sent a couple of messages
10:39 a.m.
tho
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Good , lets keep an eye on people with not much activity cause if u town and silent honestly we dont need u
10:40 a.m.
I played with alot of people where maf tend to use the silence and coast by
10:40 a.m.
So its good to single them out honestly
10:40 a.m.
I know it ironic cause i was away
10:40 a.m.
And just started to analyse
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WaNObI
Good , lets keep an eye on people with not much activity cause if u town and silent honestly we dont need u
i’d agree with you, if the lineup wasn’t one where D1 exc if wrong gets all the say D2, D3
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But i am here so lets go
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which is problematic if we exc a town that is doing nothing
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FreshSpice
i’d agree with you, if the lineup wasn’t one where D1 exc if wrong gets all the say D2, D3
More the reason for town to be out there cause they dont give a shit if they get shot with a bullet day 1
10:41 a.m.
Only people hiding are mafia
10:41 a.m.
And if we lose a town day one it is bad but it aint on us if they aint saying shit coolthumbsup
10:42 a.m.
Would suck for us but it is what it is
10:42 a.m.
I dont like them having that safety net
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WaNObI
And if we lose a town day one it is bad but it aint on us if they aint saying shit coolthumbsup
yeah but once they are executed they are lock town and they are still alive even after being executed
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FreshSpice
yeah but once they are executed they are lock town and they are still alive even after being executed
Exactly so nothing for us to be scared about
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last tournament i exc a town by mistake and went for the less active player and she almost got me executed and cause me to lose
10:43 a.m.
she pretty much scum read the whole town team, and mafia just had her wrapped around their finger
10:43 a.m.
it was like whoever she voted is confirmed out
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even if there was no valuable info
10:43 a.m.
from them
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FreshSpice
last tournament i exc a town by mistake and went for the less active player and she almost got me executed and cause me to lose
Ohh , if thats the case i aint worried about dying but would be bad for town to lose 2 though also we are telling them to come and talk how are we supposed to tell what they are when they silent they dont have the right to be angry honestly
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FreshSpice
she pretty much scum read the whole town team, and mafia just had her wrapped around their finger
Ofcourse they gonna be all on that bork
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ok aqua is gonne so i guess i can go back to my back reading
10:46 a.m.
i probably need to touch grass i’m too consumed in this
10:46 a.m.
imma take a break
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aquamxrinee
i like stett
This scares me , why are you starting the game with liking everyone hmmm
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WaNObI
This scares me , why are you starting the game with liking everyone hmmm
It seems like aqua could try to be getting on peoples good sides
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Stet sounds like they tried to pocket aqua but i am not finished iso aqua will do stet bext
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Ernie
It seems like aqua could try to be getting on peoples good sides
At the start to a degree , but i dont see them playing the i am good at porn acting what type of mafia chats there are thing , sounds like genuine sandy had a little lamb kinda vibe so they towned tell now for me
11:05 a.m.
Yup i stick to what i said about aqua
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Stett
i just wanna see celestia and ernie put out some thoughts, see wanobi join the game
Hoi i joined the game and sorry was asleep when all of this was happening as it was 7 am
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Celestia
I think I'll be having some few analysis and reads once I've read through all the chats
Not gonna lie at the moment , your chats sound like you have been reading and keeping up but laying low so i am gonna wait for the analysis cause your jump into the game with the number of mafia and normals then claiming how lynch is detrimental to coming back and saying only this after 5 hours is crazy so looking forward to the analysis
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Ernie
It seems like aqua could try to be getting on peoples good sides
Earnie btw hope you had an amazing night/ day to me i feel like your neutral but people say u dont play a day one which i dont mind honestly played with alot of people like that but if something comes to your mind if u know people more please let us know bulbasip
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Xiafather
been running on 3 hours of sleep and chugging ice coffee today
Too relatable ngl , been me for the past month 😂
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aw xDD
11:13 a.m.
i'm awake now too, somehow
11:13 a.m.
i'll be sharing my thoughts soonishly too, just reading up rq first
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Xiafather
i'll be sharing my thoughts soonishly too, just reading up rq first
Amazing
11:16 a.m.
I am about to leave to go with some friends
11:16 a.m.
So might be away for a couple of hours
11:17 a.m.
Will continue with xoa and stett analysis when i am back
11:17 a.m.
Tell now i an happy to be pocketed in freshs trousers
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Xiafather
I honestly don't know why I'm b tier myself last tournament I made it to the semifinals only because of a lucky qualifier game as scum mEhh
This is more or less saying to me please drop your guard i am harmless which i dont like SusChicken
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WaNObI
Earnie btw hope you had an amazing night/ day to me i feel like your neutral but people say u dont play a day one which i dont mind honestly played with alot of people like that but if something comes to your mind if u know people more please let us know bulbasip
Thanks, hope the same for you I will do
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Xiafather
and I wonder if fresh is really as fresh as the name indicates
Hmm so u saying u dont read fresh as fresh but wont vote them
11:38 a.m.
I see this i will keep in mind
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WaNObI
Hmm so u saying u dont read fresh as fresh but wont vote them
o i just said that as a joke XiaKEK tho it is true i am more wary of those i know are good players, i don't fully trust they're town yet for me (but this is also me just second guessing everything)
11:43 a.m.
because i'm someone who never feels that confident in her own reads shrug_weeb
11:44 a.m.
tho for now, i'd say those that i town lean the most would prolly be aqua and fresh more neutral for now would be wanobi, ernie, doggo, stett celestia hasn't exactly said much yet still, so not much there
11:44 a.m.
XiaThink
11:49 a.m.
i still don't feel like i got enough to fully tr or sr anyone yet, sadly
11:49 a.m.
but that'll ofc change as the game goes on
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FreshSpice
ok… but xia u stayed awake 3 hours longer than you said u would, gotta fix that insomnia. also idk how to feel about the constant check in and lack of reads and meaningful thread engagement in 3 hours
ye am trying to fix the insomnia but eh it is what it is shrug_weeb i kept on checking in because i couldn't sleep and would rather focus on the chat here than let my thoughts keep on running wild about some stuff unrelated to this game i really wouldn't say lack of reads from me this early on is anything that unusual for me tho, but if you think so mEhh
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FreshSpice
in the game i’m mentioning where u we’re with caitlin mih and m2h u said u we’re struggling to read them because u didn’t know them and didn’t play much with them. also, i feel like u also have some experience either a couple of players here
ye i was struggling to read them during that game, but did eventually come around after mih helped calm me down and sort out my thoughts as mentioned before. and the only ones here i got any previous experience with that i can recall, is with you, doggo and ernie, and that's it (that i can recall rn) as for my thoughts on the content you posted aside from that, i'd say i do mostly agree with what you said for ernie's part tho, i'd just like to add that i think that if he was maf here, he'd prolly actually be a lil more motivated for the game than he has seems to be as of now, considering he still hasn't been maf a single time yet in any previous games on this server and his maf partners would prolly have talked to him in the maf chat by now as well so we'd prolly have seen a change if he had been maf, but i'm still gonna leave him as neutral for now since i'd still like to see more from him.
12:11 p.m.
alright i need food AAA
12:11 p.m.
brb
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i’m back
12:14 p.m.
was busy pirating a movie mb
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WaNObI
Not gonna lie at the moment , your chats sound like you have been reading and keeping up but laying low so i am gonna wait for the analysis cause your jump into the game with the number of mafia and normals then claiming how lynch is detrimental to coming back and saying only this after 5 hours is crazy so looking forward to the analysis
can everyone please start tagging posts 💀 Discord for some reason can’t load messages now and for the past many years… please
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ok so xia leans town on both me and fresh that’s interesting
12:14 p.m.
i feel like me and fresh r being paired
12:15 p.m.
i don’t love that
12:15 p.m.
also wanobi is kinda deflecting/defensive
12:16 p.m.
could be his meta
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@WaNObI besides ur read on me who do you read town and who do you read mafia, just so that i can kinda understand where ur reads are at right now and how u are progressing ur game?
12:17 p.m.
like i see ur analysis but i want a read list
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fresh if ur pocketing i will be disapponted (edited)
12:17 p.m.
ghats not very sigma
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@Celestia can we get some reads from you?
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i forgot i can’t edit my dumb tranmar
12:18 p.m.
shit
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aquamxrinee
fresh if ur pocketing i will be disapponted (edited)
tbh even if i was mafia i don’t think my gameplay would be pockety
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sigma
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aqua stop using brain rot terminology 💀
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i remember in my first ttg it was sebs and haidyn tried pocketing me and i figured it out d1 and nobody listened to me and called me crazy
12:19 p.m.
no
12:19 p.m.
i didn’t even know it was called pocketing
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me and alex used to call it “marinate” 💀💀💀
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i was like “haidyn is just trusting me so that when yall realize im inno he can say i told you so”
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icl i get pocketed so easily as town
12:20 p.m.
actually i used to
12:20 p.m.
now i dont as much
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sorry fresh is this a bad time to tell u im pocketing u
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💀 ur funny
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yeah me stett and ernie vibing in scum chat rn
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i’m usually very confident in my town core, and also i don’t think you’d fake a town slip
12:22 p.m.
that’s just cringy
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stett doesn’t like my idea cuz she thinks ur too good to be pocketed
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it’s kinda like me being disappointed at u self toasting
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i don’t self toast
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u did that one game
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that’s lame
12:22 p.m.
i only do it when someone makes me
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i just don’t see you being like constantly town slipping just to get an easy town read from everyone
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it wastes a night of toast and risks death
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but if u did, then that’s just cringe
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i agree
12:23 p.m.
maybe u should vote me anyway tho
12:23 p.m.
before i pocket u
12:24 p.m.
ok i need to stop trolling and actually read
12:24 p.m.
can @Celestia talk
12:24 p.m.
if you can’t participate i’m going to assume ur a scared scum
12:24 p.m.
and that’s not very epic
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Xiafather
i'm awake now too, somehow
u are awake now? 💀 bro what?
12:25 p.m.
it was 18 hours ago when u first said “i’m going to sleep”
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@Xiafather i wanna here more form u
12:25 p.m.
from
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xia 💀
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also if i’m semi afk it’s cuz im getting lunch
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FreshSpice
u are awake now? 💀 bro what?
i didn't fall asleep fully before like... 7am or so? because of irl stuff racing through my mind KEK
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Xiafather
i didn't fall asleep fully before like... 7am or so? because of irl stuff racing through my mind KEK
U TELLING ME U STRUGGLED TO SLEEP FOR 18 HOURS
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i think i really needed sleep
12:25 p.m.
yes
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THATS FUCKING NUTS
12:26 p.m.
💀 u need to check in with the doctor about that
12:26 p.m.
that’s actually bad
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dw i got a lot to check in with a doc about Salute
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@Xiafather u should take some magnesium before u sleep
12:26 p.m.
it helps fall asleep
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i need to do that
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hmm i can give it a try
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i have such bad sleep stress
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i do suspect it might me by meds making me insomniac ngl
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i have like a whole pack of small packets of magnesium and i can just put it in my mouth and it’ll dissolve
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i sleep enough but not not well enough
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but i shouldn't take sleep meds with these ones so gotta find other ways
12:27 p.m.
99Ayay
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Xiafather
but i shouldn't take sleep meds with these ones so gotta find other ways
magnesium is a supplement tho not medication, so ur fine
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ok the way wanobi was typing and now he’s not is freaking me out but maybe i’m overthinking
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so i'll give it a try
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literally magnesium, camomile tea and and also even L-Theanine (some reason it doesn’t work for me)
12:28 p.m.
i feel like L-Theanine helps me with concentration more than it helps me sleep
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i also think i just gotta find a way to be less stressed overall ngl, too much thoughts
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lowkey could stett celestia and wanobi be maf team
12:29 p.m.
btw no one answered my question
12:29 p.m.
is maf team random or seeded
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random
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oh damnit
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on this server the roles are always random
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womp womp
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seeded would be wild
12:30 p.m.
💀 that’s like doing pattern leads
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FreshSpice
seeded would be wild
a maf team with you me and stett would go so hard
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI besides ur read on me who do you read town and who do you read mafia, just so that i can kinda understand where ur reads are at right now and how u are progressing ur game?
I read u an aqua as town , want to hear more from ernie , dogo is leaning acum to me , celestia sounds like she was keeping up with the game and talking elsewhere @FreshSpice didnt iso xia and stett yet but i will when i get back i had to go out to meet some people
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aquamxrinee
a maf team with you me and stett would go so hard
why u trying to put urself in our level 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
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bc i’m almost as good as u fresh
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i’m joking aqua 💀 u alright i guess
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u chimpanzees ass
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aquamxrinee
bc i’m almost as good as u fresh
u sheeping my reads, can’t be as good as me if u didn’t reach the same reads as me before me
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uhm my xia read was first actually
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aquamxrinee
u chimpanzees ass
ok this is crazy
12:31 p.m.
ur actually fanning
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aquamxrinee
uhm my xia read was first actually
i didn’t see that so i didn’t sheep you
12:32 p.m.
gg i win
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aquamxrinee
ok the way wanobi was typing and now he’s not is freaking me out but maybe i’m overthinking
I explained why i am going to be away for a couple of hour aqua , i cant stay on my phone 24/7 https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303410516651409509
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FreshSpice
i didn’t see that so i didn’t sheep you
cap because you responded directly to it
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WaNObI
I explained why i am going to be away for a couple of hour aqua , i cant stay on my phone 24/7 https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303410516651409509
i know
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aquamxrinee
cap because you responded directly to it
i don’t remember that, so it don’t count
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but you just come in at the most convenient times
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FreshSpice
i don’t remember that, so it don’t count
then ur dumb
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I checked my phone while i am out
12:32 p.m.
😂😂😂
12:33 p.m.
And i saw the ping
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do you have anything other than ur previous reads
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aqua’s memory is better than einstein
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i feel like village isn’t going to be this defensive at this point in time
12:33 p.m.
nobody has real basis to sus anyone
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aquamxrinee
do you have anything other than ur previous reads
I just listed some reads and did anlaysis on multiple people look my chats up u will see them
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i did
12:33 p.m.
i just think this defensiveness is really scummy
12:34 p.m.
later on in the game it makes sense for village
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WaNObI
Tell now i an happy to be pocketed in freshs trousers
PAUSE
bork 1
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but it’s d1
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PAUSE 💀
bork 1
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FreshSpice
aqua’s memory is better than einstein
real
12:34 p.m.
i remember when u called me the next vio
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unfortunately i don’t cheat and im not a shitty person
12:34 p.m.
therefore i cant be the next vio
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WaNObI
This is more or less saying to me please drop your guard i am harmless which i dont like SusChicken
this is kinda wifomi but i don’t dislike it. i just would prefer if u would back wifom with a read, but then again u we’re going through the game when u said this
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i also remember when u flamed me in royale chat for calling someone a loser for flaming a 30 year old for playing this game
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aquamxrinee
i just think this defensiveness is really scummy
Bruh you are being as paranoid as a hyena so thats as town as hell to me but i aint defensive you can think what u want i just explained where i was to everyone else cause u leaving stuff lowley in peoples minds and people cant go back 👍🏻
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WaNObI
Bruh you are being as paranoid as a hyena so thats as town as hell to me but i aint defensive you can think what u want i just explained where i was to everyone else cause u leaving stuff lowley in peoples minds and people cant go back 👍🏻
idk when i sussed others they were just like “okay?”
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FreshSpice
this is kinda wifomi but i don’t dislike it. i just would prefer if u would back wifom with a read, but then again u we’re going through the game when u said this
Didnt finish xia yet as i had to leave so will finish the analysis when i am back
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doctor fluff but what do u think cuz i think he’s scum
12:37 p.m.
fluff butt*
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Xiafather
o i just said that as a joke XiaKEK tho it is true i am more wary of those i know are good players, i don't fully trust they're town yet for me (but this is also me just second guessing everything)
shouldn’t u be more way about those u don’t know? just a question for thought
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aquamxrinee
idk when i sussed others they were just like “okay?”
I mean honestly please do kill me idm u clear for that so i dont mind just trying to solve for game bork
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FreshSpice
shouldn’t u be more way about those u don’t know? just a question for thought
just because i know they're good doesn't mean i know them. i'm capable of reading what others say about them shrug_weeb
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Xiafather
tho for now, i'd say those that i town lean the most would prolly be aqua and fresh more neutral for now would be wanobi, ernie, doggo, stett celestia hasn't exactly said much yet still, so not much there
between those u said are neutral, which one of those is most scum leaning to you and why?
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why is everyone reading me as town
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Going back to the outing though catch u guys when i am back
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i get fresh reading me town because we actually have played b4 but it’s really weird that everyone else is just like sheeping his read
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Xiafather
ye am trying to fix the insomnia but eh it is what it is shrug_weeb i kept on checking in because i couldn't sleep and would rather focus on the chat here than let my thoughts keep on running wild about some stuff unrelated to this game i really wouldn't say lack of reads from me this early on is anything that unusual for me tho, but if you think so mEhh
i guess but u still done exceptionally good in a tournament where the games were typically 1 day or 2 days long max. like u couldn’t have gotten 7th place in the tournament if u we’re a bad reader early game i feel like
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is asking someone to say wallahi against the rules
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ye i was struggling to read them during that game, but did eventually come around after mih helped calm me down and sort out my thoughts as mentioned before. and the only ones here i got any previous experience with that i can recall, is with you, doggo and ernie, and that's it (that i can recall rn) as for my thoughts on the content you posted aside from that, i'd say i do mostly agree with what you said for ernie's part tho, i'd just like to add that i think that if he was maf here, he'd prolly actually be a lil more motivated for the game than he has seems to be as of now, considering he still hasn't been maf a single time yet in any previous games on this server and his maf partners would prolly have talked to him in the maf chat by now as well so we'd prolly have seen a change if he had been maf, but i'm still gonna leave him as neutral for now since i'd still like to see more from him.
i totally agree with your point on ernie
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ya ernie a bit suspicious
12:41 p.m.
he memeing out too much
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WaNObI
I read u an aqua as town , want to hear more from ernie , dogo is leaning acum to me , celestia sounds like she was keeping up with the game and talking elsewhere @FreshSpice didnt iso xia and stett yet but i will when i get back i had to go out to meet some people
fair enough
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@Ernie yo buddy
12:41 p.m.
u sus ngl
12:42 p.m.
is asking someone to say wallahi against the rules pls answer the question
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aquamxrinee
therefore i cant be the next vio
sounded like u are happy about being called the next vio 👀 otherwise u wouldn’t have brought it up 🤣
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FreshSpice
sounded like u are happy about being called the next vio 👀 otherwise u wouldn’t have brought it up 🤣
no
12:42 p.m.
i’m happy that i get to refute that as i’m literally the better version of her
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aquamxrinee
i get fresh reading me town because we actually have played b4 but it’s really weird that everyone else is just like sheeping his read
cause they are scared i’ll be on their ass for scum reading u 😂
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aquamxrinee
is asking someone to say wallahi against the rules pls answer the question
u gonna ask me to wallahi my role? 😂 aqua ur about to take the easy way out?
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FreshSpice
u gonna ask me to wallahi my role? 😂 aqua ur about to take the easy way out?
yes
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FreshSpice
cause they are scared i’ll be on their ass for scum reading u 😂
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12:45 p.m.
cuz fresh if ur inno ik we winning
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aquamxrinee
yes
i feel like i shouldn’t ngl
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ok i believe u
12:46 p.m.
i feel like i would be a bad person to do that
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not just a bad player
12:46 p.m.
bad person
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tbh as mafia i’d probably actually say wallahi 💀 and accept the fast
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ok ur inno
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FreshSpice
between those u said are neutral, which one of those is most scum leaning to you and why?
honestly? i'm really not sure. wanobi is backreading rn and for now nothing too much sus i'd say? at least trying to provide thoughts and questioning what he reads ernie hasn't done much, but as i mentioned in one of my replies to you about my thoughts, i don't think he's maf here as of now so i'm keeping it neutral for now doggo seems like his usual, but i also don't know him well so i can't say too much about him stett, well.. i know she's a good player and idk her meta (+ too lazy to read forum games since i ain't familiar with those at all), so keeping her neutral as for now so as you can see with this... i really have no clue LMAO there's 3 mafs in this game too, so considering that it is very likely that at least 1-2, if not even 3 of them are maf (but i reaaally doubt i got that good of an accuracy here)
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aquamxrinee
ok ur inno
ok u said that 100 times 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
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honestly? i'm really not sure. wanobi is backreading rn and for now nothing too much sus i'd say? at least trying to provide thoughts and questioning what he reads ernie hasn't done much, but as i mentioned in one of my replies to you about my thoughts, i don't think he's maf here as of now so i'm keeping it neutral for now doggo seems like his usual, but i also don't know him well so i can't say too much about him stett, well.. i know she's a good player and idk her meta (+ too lazy to read forum games since i ain't familiar with those at all), so keeping her neutral as for now so as you can see with this... i really have no clue LMAO there's 3 mafs in this game too, so considering that it is very likely that at least 1-2, if not even 3 of them are maf (but i reaaally doubt i got that good of an accuracy here)
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12:47 p.m.
ykw i think xia inno
12:48 p.m.
celestia stett ernie gg
12:49 p.m.
acc that’s such a clear scum team
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honestly? i'm really not sure. wanobi is backreading rn and for now nothing too much sus i'd say? at least trying to provide thoughts and questioning what he reads ernie hasn't done much, but as i mentioned in one of my replies to you about my thoughts, i don't think he's maf here as of now so i'm keeping it neutral for now doggo seems like his usual, but i also don't know him well so i can't say too much about him stett, well.. i know she's a good player and idk her meta (+ too lazy to read forum games since i ain't familiar with those at all), so keeping her neutral as for now so as you can see with this... i really have no clue LMAO there's 3 mafs in this game too, so considering that it is very likely that at least 1-2, if not even 3 of them are maf (but i reaaally doubt i got that good of an accuracy here)
icl i tried to read through her forum mafia game and like i did make notes on her town game but its like painful asf when every message is essay and it never ends 💀💀💀
12:50 p.m.
also i’ve been waiting for stett for the past 12 hours 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
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fresh ima carry u to semis with my read
12:50 p.m.
what time zone she in
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when is she coming back
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FreshSpice
i guess but u still done exceptionally good in a tournament where the games were typically 1 day or 2 days long max. like u couldn’t have gotten 7th place in the tournament if u we’re a bad reader early game i feel like
i was sorta forced to then as well with how short the games were, right? but let's also not forget that 2 of my quals games then were me being gf, and those were the games i had gained most points from, which goes to show i tend to do better when i do have a partner, and for the semifinals game i had mih helping me get on track with my reads when i was stuck. how likely do you think this is genuinely a scum game of mine?
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aquamxrinee
what time zone she in
american is all ik
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aquamxrinee
fresh ima carry u to semis with my read
stop 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
12:50 p.m.
i can carry myself
12:51 p.m.
i’ll likely carry you
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FreshSpice
american is all ik
ok so she should be awake
12:51 p.m.
unless she’s from hawaii
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FreshSpice
i’ll likely carry you
funny joke
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Xiafather
i was sorta forced to then as well with how short the games were, right? but let's also not forget that 2 of my quals games then were me being gf, and those were the games i had gained most points from, which goes to show i tend to do better when i do have a partner, and for the semifinals game i had mih helping me get on track with my reads when i was stuck. how likely do you think this is genuinely a scum game of mine?
Xia i swear to God ur town and mafia game is like so similar that idk
12:52 p.m.
it could very well be
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the curse of being too good at blending and acting the same why
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i feel like the way u are currently responding to pressure is way different tho
12:53 p.m.
here than in ur game as town
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someone pressure me
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ok i’m actually hungry as shit
12:53 p.m.
bye
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but when scum i also tend to be more calculated and you can sorta tell i have somewhat of an agenda behind my reads and whatnot
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mafia and eat like me
12:53 p.m.
mafia>life
12:54 p.m.
from my limited info i feel like xia is much better at scum because she doesn’t have genuine reads as village which is why she blends super well, which only rly helps as scum
12:55 p.m.
tbh i feel like she’s sheeping freshs reads rn which is kinda towny
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FreshSpice
i feel like the way u are currently responding to pressure is way different tho
rn i mostly just wanna chill and be able to somehow convince that i am town rn
12:55 p.m.
because am tired
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i’m a robot and robots don’t get rired
12:56 p.m.
tired
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it's a lil funny because i'm more often sussed early game when i'm town, than when i am scum i've noticed
12:56 p.m.
remsigh
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well i hard sussed u earlier
12:56 p.m.
i gotta get better at knowing how to seem town when i am town kfhskcj
12:57 p.m.
but my brain just won't get how to
12:57 p.m.
so i just be chilling trying to do what i can
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i just hope i roll town every game because i don’t try to blend my play style at all
12:57 p.m.
i’m the most obvious scum ever
12:57 p.m.
i don’t like being maf
12:58 p.m.
like i play botc too and everytime i say to my group before we start “i really wanna be townsfolk i will cry if im evil”
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and ofc i’m always a super boring evil role or a super useless town role
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aquamxrinee
i’m a robot and robots don’t get rired
also, i wanna be a robot too show me da wae to be a robot
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i was the tinker a couple games back which is a good character that just dies at any time
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Xiafather
also, i wanna be a robot too show me da wae to be a robot
i was born this way
12:59 p.m.
like it was so annoying because everyone had a power and i literally got insta killed d1
12:59 p.m.
but at least it confirmed me
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aquamxrinee
i was the tinker a couple games back which is a good character that just dies at any time
ahh icic
1:00 p.m.
rip
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it was a mega rip
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for me it depends if i enjoy being scum or not
1:04 p.m.
like, if i can work well with my partner(s) or not
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i never do
1:04 p.m.
i never like being evil
1:04 p.m.
i’m a horrible liar
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i hate lying, so when i'm scum i just try to avoid lying
1:06 p.m.
which is also prolly why my scum and town plays are so similar, because i try to be as honest as possible as either role
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fair
1:07 p.m.
same but for some reason i’m the most obvious scum
1:07 p.m.
i was happy to roll town but i was so disappointed there’s no PRs
1:07 p.m.
i want to be special
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games with prs are so funnn
1:08 p.m.
being special is always fun
1:10 p.m.
being town is boring zzz
1:10 p.m.
and i never know what to do as town, because i often tend to doubt myself too much, even my strongest town reads
1:11 p.m.
tho ofc, all i can do is try to find someone that i'm pretty sure i can rely on somewhat
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@Stett Now stett for last, cause i feel like this is like my trickiest read to make, cause in a way if i build a town core of 5 towns with the addition of stett, idk how i would place him in terms of my poe. there were also times were his messages to me didn’t make much sense, like when he waited for doggo to make a read on xia, i don’t see how whether he noticed the xia thing could be AI, specially when stett herself mentioned it as odd right after, so it’s not something that anyone couldn’t pick on, it’s just more on how a player reads that situation. Also i didn’t really understand the whole w/w thing with ernie and xia, cause how is that insinuating they are paired? and also if xia wanted to help ernie by making reads then couldn’t she literally just ask him in private mafia server to make some reads? the pairing thing just doesn’t make sense. Then there is also the times where she put pressure on me for things that i felt like where inherently obvious asf even for her. i don’t want to town core this slot, just cause i can see problems in it, and specially now that she is kinda forcing a world where i might be scum, when im considering the potential for their to be a mafia world in her gameplay, it kinda feels forced to me and just overall not genuine. Im willing to see how her reads progress this game, but i don’t like parts of her game. i feel like if she is mafia, the logical thing to do is probably to take me out of consensus town, specially if im the only one who is considering the chance that she might not be pure.
this is gonna have to be in 2 parts cause i broke the character limit but
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@Stett Now stett for last, cause i feel like this is like my trickiest read to make, cause in a way if i build a town core of 5 towns with the addition of stett, idk how i would place him in terms of my poe. there were also times were his messages to me didn’t make much sense, like when he waited for doggo to make a read on xia, i don’t see how whether he noticed the xia thing could be AI, specially when stett herself mentioned it as odd right after, so it’s not something that anyone couldn’t pick on, it’s just more on how a player reads that situation. Also i didn’t really understand the whole w/w thing with ernie and xia, cause how is that insinuating they are paired? and also if xia wanted to help ernie by making reads then couldn’t she literally just ask him in private mafia server to make some reads? the pairing thing just doesn’t make sense. Then there is also the times where she put pressure on me for things that i felt like where inherently obvious asf even for her. i don’t want to town core this slot, just cause i can see problems in it, and specially now that she is kinda forcing a world where i might be scum, when im considering the potential for their to be a mafia world in her gameplay, it kinda feels forced to me and just overall not genuine. Im willing to see how her reads progress this game, but i don’t like parts of her game. i feel like if she is mafia, the logical thing to do is probably to take me out of consensus town, specially if im the only one who is considering the chance that she might not be pure.
Lol. Ok this actually helps a lot, cause it lets me know you’re coming more from a: doubt everything and scum hunt mindset than a town core and solve mindset, which helps justify what initially felt like shade and potshots. That’s valid, it’s just a dif lens than I approach games so we were def clashing on it. The w/w thing: No, you’re misunderstanding. Mafia need to interact with each other. They need to find ways to look natural and engage with everyone, and especially in this tight a setup there’s no space for them to just ignore each other. So they have to try to find ways to talk to each other that feel natural, and the specific message from xia just pinged me as a question I see mafia lob their partners in thread a lot to look like “helpful/solving town.” Being able to ping your partner in wolf chat to say “yo you look sus, make some reads” isn’t the point, and would be frankly nonsensical given Ernie’s content at that point in the game. It’s about the need to push interactions and about that specific type of interaction being one I’ve seen as w/w a lot. It’s not a loaded gun, its a slight sculpting.
1:13 p.m.
There is also the times where she put pressure on me for things that i felt like where inherently obvious asf even for her. Not sure what you mean by this, sorry. now that she is kinda forcing a world where i might be scum, when im considering the potential for their to be a mafia world in her gameplay, it kinda feels forced to me and just overall not genuine. This is a pretty drastic misinterpretation of what I’m doing. I’m not sure is it’s low level omegas, or if I hurt your feelings somehow so it’s just reactive. What I did: poke you for shading me by saying I was being too controlling. Why this is a problem for me: you claimed you did meta diving, you claimed you read my town game, and you claimed you started to read a scum game but got bored. So it feels like you don’t actually have an interest in my range, and are simply running with “I know this person is a good town, so that means I should present them as a plausibly scary wolf.” That’s pretty disingenuous when you haven’t actually read my scum game. Disingenuity =/= scumminess tho. You can be paranoid lazy town. In fact that’s where I’ve been leaning you, which is why I never voted you?? Me double checking my bases and poking stuff that concerns me =/= me attacking you. And frankly so far you’ve been a bit uncharitable, and have only answered my pokes by then shading me, which isn’t at all conducive to solving as a team or finding each other. TL;DR: I think you’re town. I think you talking about meta is LAMIST and is a distraction here. I think if you want to fantasize that I’m a big bad power wolf you should crosscheck my MU games or get a grip, and I think both of us to give more grace to each other. K? K. 5upL
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FreshSpice
what did you mean by this?
it meant that i gen don't know what i'll do the first time i rand scum in a 48/24.
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aquamxrinee
i know fresh, he wouldn’t pocket me and if he did it wouldn’t be in this way
5upNotes
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WaNObI
Hoi i joined the game and sorry was asleep when all of this was happening as it was 7 am
welcome in o/
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Current Read List: Town read: aquamxrinee Town lean: Celestia (could come back down depending on her game) Null: Ernie (closer to town lean just need more from him) Stett (yes, i don’t TL her anymore) Scum Lean: Doggo Xia Hasn’t spoken: Wanobi (this list is in order, btw)
is this purely off the potential she derped, b/c otherwise i am... confused
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Lol. Ok this actually helps a lot, cause it lets me know you’re coming more from a: doubt everything and scum hunt mindset than a town core and solve mindset, which helps justify what initially felt like shade and potshots. That’s valid, it’s just a dif lens than I approach games so we were def clashing on it. The w/w thing: No, you’re misunderstanding. Mafia need to interact with each other. They need to find ways to look natural and engage with everyone, and especially in this tight a setup there’s no space for them to just ignore each other. So they have to try to find ways to talk to each other that feel natural, and the specific message from xia just pinged me as a question I see mafia lob their partners in thread a lot to look like “helpful/solving town.” Being able to ping your partner in wolf chat to say “yo you look sus, make some reads” isn’t the point, and would be frankly nonsensical given Ernie’s content at that point in the game. It’s about the need to push interactions and about that specific type of interaction being one I’ve seen as w/w a lot. It’s not a loaded gun, its a slight sculpting.
EBWOP: its a slight scupting was supposed to be its a slight scum ping
1:20 p.m.
@Xiafather why haven't you voted at all this game? you've been around enough to have some sort of opinions?
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@Xiafather why haven't you voted at all this game? you've been around enough to have some sort of opinions?
because i dislike voting before i'm sure
1:21 p.m.
it's that simple
1:21 p.m.
i sometimes do, but that's usually just if i really want to pressure someone as well
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@DoggoLost I feel like your very start did ping me sus, and it was a bit shaky, like u we’re awkward on how to approach the game, as u start going on i did start feeling like your gameplay was looking more like usual, but at the same time i can’t ignore the very start, considering, that’s where mafia messes up the most
most of everything else is meta so can't really say much here, but can you elaborate on this point please? @FreshSpice ignore dog's first 5 posts for a sec. if you had to make a judgement call off the proceeding content, meta aside, what would you see as the scum or town incentives for it?
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Xiafather
because i dislike voting before i'm sure
hmm fair ig. so you mostly just vote once a day then?
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that's
1:24 p.m.
a cute assumption
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im confused lol
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O WAIT
1:24 p.m.
i confused myself there mb
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but it honestly depends on if there's anyone i sus enough but even after voting my vote is up to change if there's anything that changes my mind on who i sus
1:25 p.m.
but mostly ye
1:26 p.m.
comfy
1:27 p.m.
but i will be voting when i sus someone, but for now i got no clear sus on anyone
1:27 p.m.
mostly just waiting for some to talk more
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In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
"u aint town to me before n3 most of the time" my brother in christ not having any townreads until after 3 eliminations and 2 NKs is wild. it also extremely won't work in this setup. this setup is fully about towncoring and boxing out the maf: we need two scum elims to win, and our ratio is tight. "no one is town" isn't a flex, it's a losing mentality. It's good to poke things you're sus about, but straight up: paranoia pushing and refusing to towncore is how town would lose this game
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but it honestly depends on if there's anyone i sus enough but even after voting my vote is up to change if there's anything that changes my mind on who i sus
so no players have pinged you enough to warrant voting? does that mean you TL them, or it's just null enough you don't wanna commit to anything?
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so no players have pinged you enough to warrant voting? does that mean you TL them, or it's just null enough you don't wanna commit to anything?
it's mostly just null enough for now, i feel like i want to wait a lil more and see more
1:31 p.m.
like, see more interactions between others
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i don’t think stett is as town as you think… cause ngl another thing i noticed about stett, is that for everyone she pressured she had like a prompt, it was question push, question push and then she’d give reads. Ernie has showed up multiple times and has kinda lazy played d1 up to now, but i don’t see stett putting pressure on him or trying to find a way to get content from him prior and after voting him. Also, stett is well aware that whoever get executed today (if town) is alive the next day, and scum is gonna go for the player who either has 0 content or the player who is just very wrong, this is one of the reasons why i kinda wanted to have doggo or xia as the vote initially, cause i didn’t know how much we were getting out of celestia wanobi and ernie. also, like Stett susses me but why isn’t she voting me or pushing me? it’s cause she knows if i get exc today i will have full control over the next day. only time she’ll benefit from pushing me as scum is in D2 if a town or mafia gets executed D1
i can't get content out of people who aren't playing the game :wowee: no s**t i have more interactions with the active players. I'm now voting celestia who has ~even less content than ernie!!!~ part of voting is pushing. I'm voting them b/c i'm saying: hey, you're being sus, there's nothing from you to townread, so do better or i won't hesitate to kill you Neither ernie nor celestia have done anything worth townreading, and neither have produced enough content for me to push into. My questions aren't random, they're based in how people put out content. Otherwise they're just glorified icebreakers, which aren't helpful for solving at all imo.
1:35 p.m.
and i'm not pushing you for a d1 elim b/c i don't think you're mafia FacepalmLmao
1:36 p.m.
i gen think hang the loudest player you're paranoid of to confirm them town is a bad way to play. Just kill the wolves.
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nah absolutley screw that. I'm not letting one person's paranoia result in me being a d1 miselim. We're going to hold hands and dance in hell this game fresh, and if you're town you'll find me, and if you keep this up and refuse than maybe it's agenda. Paranoia isn't a helpful tool, especially D1. Either ground your read in my actual play and bring up quotes and poke me and try to solve, but just saying "ohhhh uwu maybe stett is a scawwy lil mafia :((((( she's not voting me and she's pushing low votes :((( there should be a concensus if all active players were actually town aur nauuuuuuuuuuur" 🙄 bro you're literally the anticonsensus lol what kind of argument is that
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it was an entry read. being here for SoD after you pinged alon with no real hi hello im here and just snippy short stuff felt "idgaf" to me
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im going to bash my head into a wall its too early for this nonsense
1:47 p.m.
:wowee: i have meetings till 6est so unfort the europeans will probs all be asleep again by then but
1:49 p.m.
@Ernie you've now mentioned not reading/not being caught up, not being aware multiple times. When do you plan on backreading? when will you have availability? rn the only reads i can find in your iso are "stett seems trying to pressure and maybe aqua seems like that too" and then "aqua maybe trying to get on people's good sides" there is a ton of content in this channel atp, that ain't gonna cut it. Why haven't you backread yet?
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ok i’m back had therapy
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Stett
is this purely off the potential she derped, b/c otherwise i am... confused
this is so scum
2:02 p.m.
celestias messages
2:02 p.m.
are so scum
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@Ernie you've now mentioned not reading/not being caught up, not being aware multiple times. When do you plan on backreading? when will you have availability? rn the only reads i can find in your iso are "stett seems trying to pressure and maybe aqua seems like that too" and then "aqua maybe trying to get on people's good sides" there is a ton of content in this channel atp, that ain't gonna cut it. Why haven't you backread yet?
I've been having a busy day today I can in abit though
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Stett
it was an entry read. being here for SoD after you pinged alon with no real hi hello im here and just snippy short stuff felt "idgaf" to me
i’m not “idgaf” town that’s just my personality
2:02 p.m.
i’m trying not to stress myself out too early
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don't have a ton of free time rn but going back and reading now
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As of right now, aqua is prob my only town core, mainly cause she is very new to long form mafia, and her gameplay is identical to her latest town game in her game. I think her derp is probably real, even though i could tell whilst pressuring her that she was mumbling in her own words and slightly contradicting at times, but i feel like that can happen as town. Now for celestia my main concern is that i feel like if scum saw aqua being derp cleared early on in the game, it’s very possible for there to be an incentive to copy that. so i want to see how celestia approaches the game first
pinning this for potential discussion later on, specifically the aqua half of this. i need to backread old games more but i think towncoring aqua is a bit weird.
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Alright (backreading is such a hassle istg)
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@Xiafather I feel like as town you typically refuse to force urself to make reads u don’t want to, and i noticed from last tournament u tend to have a larger scum pool in terms of searching, than town pool. as in u usually have more scum leans as town, and u are typically actively searching for mafia as town, whilst as Mafia you usually town search to avoid attention. Also, your question on ernie to make reads very early game i don’t feel like it’s like you considering you typically don’t engage in much questioning early on, it kinda felt like you were under pressure to do so…
hmm fair points but mulling it over. i can use this when i read my xiay scum games later though so that's helpful. the xiay asking ernie questions socially fits with how i view her though, so i still disagree there but inch resting when it comes to how u see her searching for scum searching for town.
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@DoggoLost I feel like your very start did ping me sus, and it was a bit shaky, like u we’re awkward on how to approach the game, as u start going on i did start feeling like your gameplay was looking more like usual, but at the same time i can’t ignore the very start, considering, that’s where mafia messes up the most
u can sus me if u want to, doc
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Trying to clear things up: Is it just me or these people are trying to force suspicion on me? When I say I'm busy I AM, why do people assume that I was a scared mafia member? Otherwise if I didn't get enough messages I would've been forced replaced which is okay for me tbh due to my circumstances, it feels like suspecting afks is way too common these days because they're easy to be suspected eg: low hanging fruit, when there's so much we could get if people engage, which I haven't I admit because like I said I don't have enough time.
2:40 p.m.
I have*
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@Stett Now stett for last, cause i feel like this is like my trickiest read to make, cause in a way if i build a town core of 5 towns with the addition of stett, idk how i would place him in terms of my poe. there were also times were his messages to me didn’t make much sense, like when he waited for doggo to make a read on xia, i don’t see how whether he noticed the xia thing could be AI, specially when stett herself mentioned it as odd right after, so it’s not something that anyone couldn’t pick on, it’s just more on how a player reads that situation. Also i didn’t really understand the whole w/w thing with ernie and xia, cause how is that insinuating they are paired? and also if xia wanted to help ernie by making reads then couldn’t she literally just ask him in private mafia server to make some reads? the pairing thing just doesn’t make sense. Then there is also the times where she put pressure on me for things that i felt like where inherently obvious asf even for her. i don’t want to town core this slot, just cause i can see problems in it, and specially now that she is kinda forcing a world where i might be scum, when im considering the potential for their to be a mafia world in her gameplay, it kinda feels forced to me and just overall not genuine. Im willing to see how her reads progress this game, but i don’t like parts of her game. i feel like if she is mafia, the logical thing to do is probably to take me out of consensus town, specially if im the only one who is considering the chance that she might not be pure.
reading this makes me feel like if both fresh and stett are scum that town is probably screwed. though i guess we already knew that from the podcasts. i do agree that some of stett's pressuring feels rigid and kills the vibes, but i don't think that means much, nai until i get a better baseline.
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Current Read List: Town read: aquamxrinee Town lean: Celestia (could come back down depending on her game) Null: Ernie (closer to town lean just need more from him) Stett (yes, i don’t TL her anymore) Scum Lean: Doggo Xia Hasn’t spoken: Wanobi (this list is in order, btw)
o.O inch resting, but u can do u
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I've backread some and it seems that drfresh have seen my games so he should be able to know that my pattern is way too off this time. I was very much engaged in most of my games despite having cit/scum roles, so it wouldn't make sense for me to be inactive unless I was busy irl.
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still reading but i am getting sad that no one engaged with my superpower question yet
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Stett
first?
Just for indication to backread easily
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WaNObI
Hello everyone hope everyone is doing okay
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WaNObI
Hello everyone hope everyone is doing okay
hullo
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WaNObI
Good morning super powers are over powered as if u have them everyone well and world will be chaos but what i would chose is consistency
ayyy ty for the answer. how would your consistency powers work? like u trust turn off rng events for urself or do u mean something else?
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In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
yeah tbh i'm more with u on this than not, i tend to be less sure of things until later days. there is still some value in testing theories out or creating situations for discussion but it is hard to have confidence so early. how much mafia experience do u have/ wut is ur homesite?
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tbf this game format makes randomizing ur first vote more favorable than any other format i've seen. not that i think anything wanobi said makes me think that is what he is wanting to do tho?
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tell me more
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holly shit
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well then. at least ur... honest? what times work best for u to do a live chat?
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1 minute games would make me wanna die x.x
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yeah tbh i'm more with u on this than not, i tend to be less sure of things until later days. there is still some value in testing theories out or creating situations for discussion but it is hard to have confidence so early. how much mafia experience do u have/ wut is ur homesite?
I never played on sites more i have irl experience heavy and i played on another discord server
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i like ur reads more than fresh's, interested to taste what ur cooking in terms of reasoning as the day develops.
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ok but couldn’t that apply to any message, between two people? i also think that is a bit of a heavy wifom and you also didnt explain how the fact that u waited/tested doggo to give the same read on xia as you, is something that helps u get a read on doggo, specially when u said ur thoughts on xia’s question right under https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303421875799461948
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ayyy ty for the answer. how would your consistency powers work? like u trust turn off rng events for urself or do u mean something else?
No matter what u put your mind to with practice u can achieve things that come with long time work and percieverience will never go away
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u repeatedly asked me about the meta stuff multiple times, when i gave u the same answer, it’s like ur forcing a solving mindset as scum to me https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303421913003065415
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the point of stett not pressuring ernie seems fair.
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Trying to clear things up: Is it just me or these people are trying to force suspicion on me? When I say I'm busy I AM, why do people assume that I was a scared mafia member? Otherwise if I didn't get enough messages I would've been forced replaced which is okay for me tbh due to my circumstances, it feels like suspecting afks is way too common these days because they're easy to be suspected eg: low hanging fruit, when there's so much we could get if people engage, which I haven't I admit because like I said I don't have enough time.
Hope things get better , life always comes first sorry if it came pushy but in my case i was talking from experience where alot of maf players tend to try ti lay low
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alright i gotta go back to work, i'll check in later, sorry that i didn't make it to the current chat in my backreads
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DoggoLost
pinning this for potential discussion later on, specifically the aqua half of this. i need to backread old games more but i think towncoring aqua is a bit weird.
More than town coring its the genuine reaction if they porn acted that is a different story i dont wana look into honestly
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also, i don’t know how i threw shade at you at any point, no disrespect i just simply don’t see it. also where was I even uncharitable where? i’m ngl stett ur actually reaching, cause im actually not, and the fact that ur making this whole paragraph to me feels like ur gaslighting cause i dont see how at any point ive been disrespectful to you or in fact anyone in this game. just a overall very odd i dont see the point in it, specially when i quite literally wasn’t, and i feel like if i ask anyone people would agree https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303421913003065415
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yall give me too much credit
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DoggoLost
well then. at least ur... honest? what times work best for u to do a live chat?
In like 2 hours I'll be most active
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If I'm being honest, I only said this so I can be abit more helpful due to my activity rate, but I haven't really properly read the rules during that moment so I didn't knew players who are voted off if they're town couldn’t die. My choice and thoughts of this response is to alarm people that having a mislyched is objectively bad.
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also haven’t you read my qualifier game? btw i’m not even trying to be mean, im just curious at how much u transferred what u know from my game there here, specially considering u felt meta heavy in ur champs games (and ik u said u had to meta them) but it doesn’t change the fact that to some extent u have meta on me? anyways now to answer your question:
  • avoiding giving reads
  • not asking questions specifically to those you got uncertainty on
  • asking NAI questions
  • having poor progression
  • avoiding voting
  • contradicting behaviour
  • having walls of fluff and wifom
i guess i’d look at a lot more things than just this but these are few, problem with this, is that a lot of these are very NAI pretty much for most of the lobby as town, so they are slightly not applicable to some, like for ernie xia avoiding reads, not questioning people ur unsure, avoiding voting is NAI, for doggo walls of fluff and wifom is NAI and etc… that’s why u are seeing a lot more meta from me than other stuff outside of meta https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303424433616064643
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how is pushing someone out for purely having less content even be beneficial and helpful? i dont get how you’d want that exc D1 as town, its just not logical, and also there is 48 hours so to assume that within that time ur not getting anything out of these players is like wrong, i just dont get how u logically just say u would rather exc a player who basically done nothing D1, that’s just not logical https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303427477053636691
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both of u seem to take this too personally
3:15 p.m.
either ur both inno or its m/v
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pinning this for potential discussion later on, specifically the aqua half of this. i need to backread old games more but i think towncoring aqua is a bit weird.
how is it weird to town core a player i clearly know is town based on meta and derp clear, also the fact that u even trying to push a world where aqua might not be town is pinging me as trying to force her out of consensus town, and just trying to make the poe unnecessarily harder to figure out for no reason, it’s honestly an odd comment to makes as a first thing after showing up, specially before u even reply to the message directed at you, also i’d assume that if u find aqua being town cored odd than there must be something you find odd in it? i would like to know what, and how u read aqua here?
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i mean im new to long form but i dont think ive said anything incriminating
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reading this makes me feel like if both fresh and stett are scum that town is probably screwed. though i guess we already knew that from the podcasts. i do agree that some of stett's pressuring feels rigid and kills the vibes, but i don't think that means much, nai until i get a better baseline.
this is fluff and wifom to fill the thread, doggo give me some reads
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yeah sorry but i don’t see both stett and fresh as scum here
3:18 p.m.
i actually lean on both being inno
3:19 p.m.
fresh is instigating which is usually a good sign he’s inno
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i like ur reads more than fresh's, interested to taste what ur cooking in terms of reasoning as the day develops.
so you like aqua’s reads more than mine yet you saying it’s odd for her to be town cored, icl doggo is mafia
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he could be town slipping? or is he too good for that
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i feel like i might be the most active here ngl
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aquamxrinee
he could be town slipping? or is he too good for that
town slipping how?
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I feel like backreading while a chat is on going is a hassle
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FreshSpice
town slipping how?
contradictions are common for me to have as town ngl
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Celestia
I feel like backreading while a chat is on going is a hassle
can you give us something after? i’ve quite literally sent 30x more messages than u
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Celestia
I feel like backreading while a chat is on going is a hassle
i say you iso certain players that have less content and build ur way up, i suffered from that in my champs game, like going through chat normally just wasn’t working for me
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aquamxrinee
can you give us something after? i’ve quite literally sent 30x more messages than u
I am doing what you guys currently want, making reads. Besides that having more messages doesn't mean anything if their quality isn't that much.
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celestia kept saying “oh let me back read i’ll talk in a bit” and just…doesn’t? nobody is forcing suspicion on you, you’re forcing it on urself
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i say you iso certain players that have less content and build ur way up, i suffered from that in my champs game, like going through chat normally just wasn’t working for me
Alright so far my suspicions on stett and doggo so I think I'll iso
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contradictions are common for me to have as town ngl
yeah but the intention of the comment doggo made is not pure… he had a lot of time to disagree against u being town cored whilst multiple players were doing it, and he is only doing it now that u being consensus town is being questioned
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Celestia
I am doing what you guys currently want, making reads. Besides that having more messages doesn't mean anything if their quality isn't that much.
you have given us nothing….
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which pings me as mafia
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yeah but the intention of the comment doggo made is not pure… he had a lot of time to disagree against u being town cored whilst multiple players were doing it, and he is only doing it now that u being consensus town is being questioned
fair
3:26 p.m.
you haven’t made any reads besides “i think stett and doggo are sus so ill iso them”
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it’s like, yeah town can contradict, but ur timing is not pure
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aquamxrinee
celestia kept saying “oh let me back read i’ll talk in a bit” and just…doesn’t? nobody is forcing suspicion on you, you’re forcing it on urself
I feel like you're just gaslighting me especially when you and stett voted for me, they're some suspicions on me so I'm trying to clear it up which I did in my previous chat.
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Celestia
I feel like you're just gaslighting me especially when you and stett voted for me, they're some suspicions on me so I'm trying to clear it up which I did in my previous chat.
gaslighting? you said you was gonna talk like 3 times and never did
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aquamxrinee
you haven’t made any reads besides “i think stett and doggo are sus so ill iso them”
im kinda just letting celestia do her thing, she can become obvious town asf when she tries
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aquamxrinee
you haven’t made any reads besides “i think stett and doggo are sus so ill iso them”
I'm currently making reads RIGHT NOW, can't you just be more patient like istg I'm not just leaving instantly
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are you gaslighting me into thinking that didn’t happen?
3:27 p.m.
you said you would 12 hours ago and didn’t that’s sus
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aquamxrinee
you said you would 12 hours ago and didn’t that’s sus
My time is gmt+8
3:28 p.m.
I'm busy thats why
3:28 p.m.
You didn't read my post?
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you said done with homework
3:28 p.m.
that takes 12 hours?
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aquamxrinee
that takes 12 hours?
When did I said homework?
3:29 p.m.
Its a project
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not homework
3:29 p.m.
work
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Yes and work could mean anything
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i mean if you insist work takes 12 hours….i just thought it was a weird pop in
3:30 p.m.
i said with wanobi too, i don’t think inno is going to get so defensive d1 when nobody is really confirmed
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Aqua I could see you're hard heavy suspicion on me that's why you're doubting my every move but what you're doing is just outside game Info
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i just don’t see why an inno would be so defensive early game?
3:31 p.m.
considering i’m not the only vote on you clearly there are valid reasons to sus u
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Hello i am back cuties
3:42 p.m.
I will iso xia and stett and then read cles chat also
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i said with wanobi too, i don’t think inno is going to get so defensive d1 when nobody is really confirmed
Just to mention this again losing a town is not helpful if a town just takes it lying down it will affect town u should be more worried if there is not a single fuck given but i understand why i would take this stance
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we don’t lose a town d1
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Ngl i am more used to bigger style games with at least 15 player plus so yeah i tottaly can see what you are saying which is why if u noticed i am trying to analyse play and read into stuff more
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we don’t lose a town d1
My understanding is they die day 2 no ???
3:45 p.m.
So we wont lose them but if we get a maf after both are dead
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Its the same as a hit
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I wont to put us in a better position of lynching maf
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With sauce layered thick 😂😂😂
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Same thing i am building my town core on him from if turns out something other than that its hella unfortunate for sure like thats a low blow for sure which is why i called it porn acting 😂
3:50 p.m.
Him/her/they
3:51 p.m.
Sorry didnt mean to use wrong pronouns
3:51 p.m.
Yup her was the right one and i am blind my bad @aquamxrinee
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My understanding is they die day 2 no ???
they die when we exc maf i think
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Yup her was the right one and i am blind my bad @aquamxrinee
it’s ok lol
3:52 p.m.
i also would rather lynch scum than mislynch today tho
3:52 p.m.
it sets us up better
3:53 p.m.
i do lean inno on wanobi tj tho
3:53 p.m.
rn
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@Xiafather @FreshSpice also make sure its the right type of magnesium cause there is different types for different benefits
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FreshSpice
tbh as mafia i’d probably actually say wallahi 💀 and accept the fast
Dude the wallahi comment had me rolling on the floor ngl
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i’m funny?
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Town Lean: Drfresh: I'm more leaning towards town to be honest due to his activity rate and taking the initiative to atleast keep up and help town to process on which to eliminate. I saw a message that they're good at being mafia, which is a weird thing to say but they're honest makes up for it I usually see mafias as being slight less engaging and more so following wagons and I don't see that coming from Drfresh, he's more like trying to make the wagons or atleast scum/town read the entire group, that is why most of their messages are a whole essay, I'm not a good Psychoanalysis but I feel like psychological wise both aqua and drfresh share the same mindset? Being paranoid the only thing I could justify is aqua being suspicious on me and her reasoning is, 1. The time of my work, 2. The time I finished, etc and Drfresh being highly suspicious on stett for being way too controlling, I could definitely see that. Initially I find it weird that most of the suspects here are low hanging fruit and we all know that the games have changed and mafia likely knows what to do here, I feel like as a group we should focus on active and non active players instead of focusing on less active players, which is what Drfresh is doing, so in conclusion town leading because most of his moves are town.
4:05 p.m.
Less Town Lean: Aqua: Like I said before she kinda shares the same mindset to Drfresh but I don't think she's capable of entirely making essays full of reads and everything, she said previously that she was a noob and then suddenly taking a slight iniative after finally knowing what to do. From what I gathered, it's likely that early game she's playing the I am a noob and I don't know what to do vibes and suddenly being more engage when there's enough messages to read, it seems kinda scummy for me. As for the paranoia though it kinda makes her town, I'm just really confused on her contradictory behaviors. We'll to conclude I'm leaning her town but I still have slight suspicions especially when both her and stett voted for me almost at the same hour, and I do have suspicions on stett.
4:10 p.m.
Less Town Lean: Wanobi: After analyzing he's messages it seems like early game he wasn't really that active and made an excuse that he was busy which I think he was being for real that time, it could likely mean that he did find being town interesting that is why he's less engage and only engage after being suspected on, it kinda makes sense that some of the people here laid a trap in order for wanobi to talk more. They also made reads and everything but just less in quality, and he seems to be following the "talk more celestia" wagon, it's either a scummy or town move, but right now leaning him to less town if he makes more conversations I might lean him to neutral.
4:11 p.m.
Less interesting*
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guys u heard it here im scum
4:13 p.m.
might wanna vote me
4:14 p.m.
it’s about time someone doesn’t blindly believe me th
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tho
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The system I'm currently using: Town Lean: Less Town Lean: Neutral: Neutral Lean: Scum Lean: Less Scum Lean: If anyone's confused.
4:16 p.m.
It gives more variety tbg
4:16 p.m.
Tbh*
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aquamxrinee
guys u heard it here im scum
I'm not saying that you're Scum it's just your moves made it seem like you're a Scum, although your paranoia contradicts that you're a Scum whatever it is I'm not going hard suspicion on you
4:22 p.m.
I'm kinda tired to make the rest of the reads but uh. Xia: Neutral Leaning/Less Town. Ernie: Neutral Leaning/Less Scum. Stett: Less Town/Less Scum, kinda 50/50 Doggo: Less Scum/Neutral
4:24 p.m.
Possible Pairs: 2 Active, 1 inactive: Likely All active: Unlikely All inactive: Unlikely 2 inactive, 1 active: Likely
4:24 p.m.
I'll give Reasonings with I find those Unlikely
4:25 p.m.
Why*
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Wait reactions are forbidden why @kirigiri
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aquamxrinee
i’m funny?
Why question it ?
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aquamxrinee
i also would rather lynch scum than mislynch today tho
Same honestly no need to lose a town
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nothing like submitting an assignment 6 mins before it’s due
4:55 p.m.
ok lemme bakcread
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WaNObI
Why question it ?
i’m usually called unfunny ☹
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Stett
speaking of: when does everyone anticipate being most active: and will anyone not be able to make end of day? (which is 2024-11-06 6:00 p.m. )
End of day is in 26 hours no ?
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speaking of: when does everyone anticipate being most active: and will anyone not be able to make end of day? (which is 2024-11-06 6:00 p.m. )
between 3 and 11 est
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heyo
5:10 p.m.
checking in for a bit, anything new going on here rn?
5:10 p.m.
if not i will just go back to backreading
5:12 p.m.
i see fresh has voted for me so that's inch resting
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aquamxrinee
nothing like submitting an assignment 6 mins before it’s due
Amazing feeling specially when u ace it
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WaNObI
Amazing feeling specially when u ace it
it was my test corrections to get points back on my linear exam 💀
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So stett honestly kinda to me i love how we have two solving minds i hope you and freshs interaction aint a maf lets bus each other move to be unpaired kind of thing , i love how inquisitive and kind of a voice of pushy reason in a way you are which is something we need , to me you are a slight town lean for now
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i barely lost points but i’ll take it
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Ayy nice at least u got them point back
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FreshSpice
dont pocket me 🏃‍♂️
:thonk:
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o/ ell all just fyi im probs gonna mostly be watching election coverage in despait tonight and ignoring this, but i'll try to pop in and backread at some point.
5:18 p.m.
in despait
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in despairt
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...
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:wowee:
5:19 p.m.
anyways i see wanobi and celestia have been active so ill try to skim through them before i start dissacossiating
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aquamxrinee
wanobi could be slipping town too
yall been using this term a fair bit by now, but wut exactly is town slipping? how is it different than town telling? i know from past games that town dumbing is also a thing, are these all words for the same thing? trying to make sure i understand wut ur saying
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slippng is typically unintentional: town telling is more braod
5:21 p.m.
like iirc someone said celestia might have town slipped off getting mech wrong—idea is they unintentionally showed they aren't informed
5:21 p.m.
that sort of stuff is easy to fabricate tho
5:21 p.m.
town telling (imo at least) is someone basically showing you they're town in a concrete way that makes you semi certain wrt their alignment
5:22 p.m.
idk if that makes sense? but its how i interpret the terms
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yeah that doesn't seem hard to fake (town slip) and that matches more with the town dumbing phrase i have heard
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howdy
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still backreading but hoping it won't take super long
5:24 p.m.
the way dr fresh quotes past posts is taking me all over the chat and i'm losing my place so much
5:24 p.m.
this is why having my bookmarks down here is helpful 🙂
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Okay my scum leans are doggo xia and ernie for now not sure on earnie but my vote would go toward dogo or xia honestly for what we have , i feel it would be hard to have 2 town between stett and dr fresh honestly so i dont wana get into that tonight and i also dont want to unpair them and end up with two town i need more time to look into it , as for why xia and doggo , i feel doggo and xia didnt give us much j. Terms of who they are clearly sussing which is more of i dont want to get on anyones bad side kinda play which in my humble experience comes from a wolf type of mentality most of the time i dont know where to go between the two but i think at least one is mafia
5:25 p.m.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
5:25 p.m.
@Stett god damn your iso was a read and a half 😂
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WaNObI
But reserved play to me is kinda of hiding stuff under the table
not sure how i am coming across as hiding stuff but all good
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Sorta getting Deja vu
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FreshSpice
last tournament i exc a town by mistake and went for the less active player and she almost got me executed and cause me to lose
sort of a broad question for everyone, but do u find that tournament play is different than non tour play? irrc u seemed to be putting more emphasis on xiay's tour meta than her normal game meta.
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Though xia is more of claiming that she can be u certain what to do when town so idk if this plays into but still like at least give me sth
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WaNObI
At the start to a degree , but i dont see them playing the i am good at porn acting what type of mafia chats there are thing , sounds like genuine sandy had a little lamb kinda vibe so they towned tell now for me
ngl i have no idea wut any of this means. can u explain?
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aquamxrinee
was busy pirating a movie mb
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DoggoLost
ngl i have no idea wut any of this means. can u explain?
Trying to act dumb and acting out is hella cringy if your going around the tourni trying to win with this kind if play i am not sure that will get u anywhere so to me it seemed like a geniune reaction that they didnt know
5:34 p.m.
Sorry if it sounded cryptic
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FreshSpice
that’s just cringy
interesting word to use considering the friends u play with 😏
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DoggoLost
not sure how i am coming across as hiding stuff but all good
More like you know stuff that we dont know trying to make friends with everyone and slip under the radar , which is what i meant catsit
5:37 p.m.
So starts like that can be how can i not blow my cover kind of vibe
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aquamxrinee
then ur dumb
ayyy nice n accurate
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Celestia
Sorta getting Deja vu
Thanks for you analysis , when ever you get more free time can u explain briefly the rest of your reads just a brief summary of why
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WaNObI
@Stett god damn your iso was a read and a half 😂
how so? i feel like i've barely talked yet lol
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268 messages are not long but some where essays , i dont mean it as an insult or anything though just saying 😂
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@Ernie have you had the chance to backread yet? i still only see the me read from sod and the aqua read from this morning
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yeah same x.x
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tbf most of the longer posts were specifically targetted to dr fresh: you can read em if you want but idk if they're helpful. i was mostly trying to clarify stuff but :wowee: it didnt seem to help
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all the roles this tour are boring, sadge. i don't even have much mountainous experience
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Celestia
Possible Pairs: 2 Active, 1 inactive: Likely All active: Unlikely All inactive: Unlikely 2 inactive, 1 active: Likely
what is this based in lol? it feels pretty rand
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DoggoLost
all the roles this tour are boring, sadge. i don't even have much mountainous experience
fr
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Stett
what is this based in lol? it feels pretty rand
Activity rate
5:44 p.m.
It's just my thoughts
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Celestia
Activity rate
no i got they're activity reads
5:44 p.m.
im asking: what about the posts make you think that
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think i asked this earlier with no answer, but wut is ur homesite/username/how can i read ur past games?
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Stett
im asking: what about the posts make you think that
Well based on my suspicions I'm basing it off
5:45 p.m.
It's a possibility but no probability
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Not
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Celestia
Well based on my suspicions I'm basing it off
who would you classify as active and inactive?
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why do i have anxiety knowing i am about to read a chongus stett post
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Stett
who would you classify as active and inactive?
Inactive: Ernie Xia Active: Stett Doggo
5:46 p.m.
xia has nearly 200 posts
5:46 p.m.
how is that inactive lol
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Stett
xia has nearly 200 posts
Like I said before quantity isn't quality
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doggo has less posts than xia
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and arguably less content
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im confused lol
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Stett
Lol. Ok this actually helps a lot, cause it lets me know you’re coming more from a: doubt everything and scum hunt mindset than a town core and solve mindset, which helps justify what initially felt like shade and potshots. That’s valid, it’s just a dif lens than I approach games so we were def clashing on it. The w/w thing: No, you’re misunderstanding. Mafia need to interact with each other. They need to find ways to look natural and engage with everyone, and especially in this tight a setup there’s no space for them to just ignore each other. So they have to try to find ways to talk to each other that feel natural, and the specific message from xia just pinged me as a question I see mafia lob their partners in thread a lot to look like “helpful/solving town.” Being able to ping your partner in wolf chat to say “yo you look sus, make some reads” isn’t the point, and would be frankly nonsensical given Ernie’s content at that point in the game. It’s about the need to push interactions and about that specific type of interaction being one I’ve seen as w/w a lot. It’s not a loaded gun, its a slight sculpting.
side note how did u do the block quotes? wut's the discord mark up for that. i like them better than the constant link backs that fresh has been doing
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I'm more so talking about contributions tbh
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DoggoLost
side note how did u do the block quotes? wut's the discord mark up for that. i like them better than the constant link backs that fresh has been doing
its three ` at each side
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Well whatever it is that's just my thoughts 🤷‍♀️
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asumming you mean like this
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Celestia
Well whatever it is that's just my thoughts 🤷‍♀️
ya, im just trying to clarify: what about doggo do you find contributive/substantial?
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sorry for all my noob questions, wut is LAMIST?
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like pulling a couple posts so i could see how you're reading the chat would be v helpful for understanding your mentality
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Stett
ya, im just trying to clarify: what about doggo do you find contributive/substantial?
He's sorta just following whatever it is going but based on whatever he types I feel like he's thinking instead of sending he's thoughts immediately
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DoggoLost
sorry for all my noob questions, wut is LAMIST?
Look At Me Im So Town
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Celestia
He's sorta just following whatever it is going but based on whatever he types I feel like he's thinking instead of sending he's thoughts immediately
5upNotes ok gotcha, that makes sense
5:49 p.m.
lamist basically just means performative townieness kinda?
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and wut is EBWOP? something something work in progress?
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edit by way of post
5:50 p.m.
b/c editing is against the rules lol
5:51 p.m.
so i gotta respond to edit when i typo or w/e
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Celestia
He's sorta just following whatever it is going but based on whatever he types I feel like he's thinking instead of sending he's thoughts immediately
ftr: i actually kinda get what you mean with xia: if feels like she has a fair amount of posts, but is kinda lurking on the edge and not actually digging into anything. i just had doggo in a similar space, so was curious what the dif you saw between them was
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Celestia
Alright (backreading is such a hassle istg)
yeah it is but gotta plow through it
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If I compared this to the latest game I played Bryce = Drfresh Yuan = Stett Yumi = Aqua. Drfresh: Focuses more on the broader subject and doesn't immediately vote for whoever is suspicious. Stett: Seems to be actively pushing wagons or putting a pressure onto someone, (the way he voted for me then switched to dogfang) I also suspected yuan before due to this act but turns out he was town so stett could be possibly leaning to town. Aqua: Since I compared her to Yumi in my opinion she was definitely acting like them due to her early game conversations then immediately started suspecting on people once there's enough reads, and we'll both admitted to being scum, except the other (yumi) admitted due to a wagon and she couldn't defend herself.
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Stett
tbf most of the longer posts were specifically targetted to dr fresh: you can read em if you want but idk if they're helpful. i was mostly trying to clarify stuff but :wowee: it didnt seem to help
It was reading the interaction between you both is something that is important ngl
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Celestia
Trying to clear things up: Is it just me or these people are trying to force suspicion on me? When I say I'm busy I AM, why do people assume that I was a scared mafia member? Otherwise if I didn't get enough messages I would've been forced replaced which is okay for me tbh due to my circumstances, it feels like suspecting afks is way too common these days because they're easy to be suspected eg: low hanging fruit, when there's so much we could get if people engage, which I haven't I admit because like I said I don't have enough time.
i agree suspecting inactives is pretty common but that's because some players low effort as scum, especially if town is already infighting
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@FreshSpice btw: in case you see me yapping and get antsy that i'm ignoring you: it felt like you were kinda ignoring what i was saying, and i feel there's a good chance we're v/v, so im kinda ignoring you and seeing how you engage with others. i dont think us fighting is helpful at all if you're town, and it feels derailing from the game. But also you're willfully ignoring my points or just intepretting stuff through the worst lens possible which is kinda depressing. I'd ask that you give me the same space i'm giving you, b/c fostering paranoia for no real reason d1 is always pro-wolf.
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WaNObI
It was reading the interaction between you both is something that is important ngl
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5:56 p.m.
i dont really think it's actually that helpful lol cause my gut kinda says he's town too and we were just yapping at each other
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@aquamxrinee what're your thoughts so far on celestia PopcornMan
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Stett
@aquamxrinee what're your thoughts so far on celestia PopcornMan
i said them, she’s giving scum to me
5:58 p.m.
she’s defensive but not in a town way like wanobi
5:58 p.m.
wanobi was giving good genuine stuff and i lean town on him
5:58 p.m.
i feel like celestia was mostly just on attack
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Stett
i dont really think it's actually that helpful lol cause my gut kinda says he's town too and we were just yapping at each other
Exactly what i mentioned i feel that both of you could be town but your approach to solving is way to different so yeah
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the pressure to me seemed like she was scum
5:59 p.m.
@Stett what do you think of my celestia read
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well celestia/wanobi read
6:01 p.m.
rn my most scum reads are celestia xia ernie maybe
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im trying to find it rn
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what does prodded mean
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aquamxrinee
celestia kept saying “oh let me back read i’ll talk in a bit” and just…doesn’t? nobody is forcing suspicion on you, you’re forcing it on urself
oh found it it
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WaNObI
No matter what u put your mind to with practice u can achieve things that come with long time work and percieverience will never go away
huh that's really cool, a power that is super useful but that most people wouldn't ever think of choosing 😄
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aquamxrinee
celestia kept saying “oh let me back read i’ll talk in a bit” and just…doesn’t? nobody is forcing suspicion on you, you’re forcing it on urself
i mean ya i agree that their opener was like this fs. but it also seems a bit outdated—i think her pop ins were kinda pointless and its better to just wait till you have something to say than to say "ill do x, ill be doing x, etc." but also— she did come back with longer posts.
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that’s true, i didn’t find them super townie tho i’ll iso
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thing is" talking about catching up/backreading/etc. without doing it is a p common inacive scum tell. so i get your point on her early messages
6:08 p.m.
but she has more content know
6:08 p.m.
so im curious what you make of her more recent posts
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WaNObI
No matter what u put your mind to with practice u can achieve things that come with long time work and percieverience will never go away
wut's the one skill/achievement u'd want to master first to put ur powers in full effect though? 😏
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Celestia
Town Lean: Drfresh: I'm more leaning towards town to be honest due to his activity rate and taking the initiative to atleast keep up and help town to process on which to eliminate. I saw a message that they're good at being mafia, which is a weird thing to say but they're honest makes up for it I usually see mafias as being slight less engaging and more so following wagons and I don't see that coming from Drfresh, he's more like trying to make the wagons or atleast scum/town read the entire group, that is why most of their messages are a whole essay, I'm not a good Psychoanalysis but I feel like psychological wise both aqua and drfresh share the same mindset? Being paranoid the only thing I could justify is aqua being suspicious on me and her reasoning is, 1. The time of my work, 2. The time I finished, etc and Drfresh being highly suspicious on stett for being way too controlling, I could definitely see that. Initially I find it weird that most of the suspects here are low hanging fruit and we all know that the games have changed and mafia likely knows what to do here, I feel like as a group we should focus on active and non active players instead of focusing on less active players, which is what Drfresh is doing, so in conclusion town leading because most of his moves are town.
@aquamxrinee like im curious what you think of her analysis here
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me and fresh have really different mindsets
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aquamxrinee
i agree and feel like stett wouldn’t say “i’m confused” as an inno
wut
6:10 p.m.
😹 ??
6:10 p.m.
im confused lol
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and im playing the noob card, i genuinely am a noob when it comes to this platform and long form, but im not new to reading as a whole
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how is confusion scummy wha
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i’m not trying to play the noob card*
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Stett
how is confusion scummy wha
idk fresh says ur good
6:11 p.m.
i feel like town is never confused, only semi-confident or confident
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at least when i’m scum sometimes i act confused to justify bad reads or voting
6:11 p.m.
but i don’t think that’s happening here
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aquamxrinee
i feel like town is never confused, only semi-confident or confident
town is an uninformed majority. they have no information other than their own alignment. if i had perfect info, i'd be a mafia
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Stett
town is an uninformed majority. they have no information other than their own alignment. if i had perfect info, i'd be a mafia
when im town, im confidently wrong
6:12 p.m.
when i’m scum, im not confidently right
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the only thing i know for sure is that im town. also im p sure a lot of the points i've expressed confusion are wrt what someone is trying to say: so communication misunderstandings. not understanding what someone is trying to say is like.... NAI at best
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when i’m confidently right im either bussing or cooking as inno
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aquamxrinee
when im town, im confidently wrong
ok well that's you projecting your approach onto other people
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ok
6:14 p.m.
what is prodding and why it happen to ernie
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im actually a supremely unconfident town, and my worst vice is tunneling someone all day, only to flip my read eod cause i freak myself out and start thinking im bad and stupid and wrong
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aquamxrinee
what is prodding and why it happen to ernie
uhhhhh in what context
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Stett
uhhhhh in what context
info
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FreshSpice
how is it weird to town core a player i clearly know is town based on meta and derp clear, also the fact that u even trying to push a world where aqua might not be town is pinging me as trying to force her out of consensus town, and just trying to make the poe unnecessarily harder to figure out for no reason, it’s honestly an odd comment to makes as a first thing after showing up, specially before u even reply to the message directed at you, also i’d assume that if u find aqua being town cored odd than there must be something you find odd in it? i would like to know what, and how u read aqua here?
bro ur acting way more reactive than what i remember from u. i am still backreading, lemme do that and read past games before i attempt solid reads.
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was it something i said
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or what post
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no
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aquamxrinee
i feel like celestia was mostly just on attack
Because you weren't giving me time to respond you're mostly just doing "oh but you haven't done this or that!" Which made me annoyed for abit
6:15 p.m.
this
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ohhhhhhhhh
6:15 p.m.
it means he was prodded for activity probably
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prodded for activity means: they didnt hit post minimum or arent contributing enough to count, so hosts say: yo you're not doing bare minimum rn yap more
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Stett
i mean ya i agree that their opener was like this fs. but it also seems a bit outdated—i think her pop ins were kinda pointless and its better to just wait till you have something to say than to say "ill do x, ill be doing x, etc." but also— she did come back with longer posts.
I just wanted to indicate because it seems like people really wanted my reads
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@Ernie come yap buddy
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q1 voting out goon d1 is interesting can we be like them
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Mb I can finally be active now
6:17 p.m.
Lm read up
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@aquamxrinee fwiw lol i think the catching up tell applies way more to ernie rn than celestia 💀
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Stett
@aquamxrinee fwiw lol i think the catching up tell applies way more to ernie rn than celestia 💀
wdym
6:18 p.m.
oh yea
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ur right
6:18 p.m.
well ernie is on my sus list
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FreshSpice
so you like aqua’s reads more than mine yet you saying it’s odd for her to be town cored, icl doggo is mafia
dude there's an order of events. I first said i didn't feel great on aqua towncore because of ur reasoning, but then i a read more aqua posts in between and saw aqua's readlist which yeah i think is better than yours. As I read more, my opinions change and develop. why shit on that, that's how time and reads play out.
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DoggoLost
dude there's an order of events. I first said i didn't feel great on aqua towncore because of ur reasoning, but then i a read more aqua posts in between and saw aqua's readlist which yeah i think is better than yours. As I read more, my opinions change and develop. why shit on that, that's how time and reads play out.
he’s offended cuz he thinks he’s better than me
6:19 p.m.
genuinely that’s prob what it is
6:20 p.m.
fresh got an ego
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aquamxrinee
celestia kept saying “oh let me back read i’ll talk in a bit” and just…doesn’t? nobody is forcing suspicion on you, you’re forcing it on urself
this ^ as in i think ernie is doing this way more than celestia
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yup
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ftr if i ever slip up and say "newcomb tell" thats the idea im referring to
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This is really giving me deja vu
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taking about catching up/backreading/making effort but never actually doing it
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Celestia
This is really giving me deja vu
how so lol
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I was suspected day 1 and made a comeback
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Stett
how so lol
My previous game is exactly like this
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Celestia
My previous game is exactly like this
were u town or maf?
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Stett
were u town or maf?
Town
6:22 p.m.
The one drfresh was talking about
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aquamxrinee
fresh got an ego
How many games have you played?
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Ernie
How many games have you played?
0
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aquamxrinee
0
Was it you who I asked before?
6:23 p.m.
Or was that a different game
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huh
6:23 p.m.
this my first game lil bro
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DoggoLost
huh that's really cool, a power that is super useful but that most people wouldn't ever think of choosing 😄
Thanks
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aquamxrinee
this my first game lil bro
I asked someone the same thing before in this server I forgot who
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ernie tell me ur scum without telling me ur scum
6:24 p.m.
uhm okay?
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aquamxrinee
ernie tell me ur scum without telling me ur scum
Im not town 😞
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Stett
o/ ell all just fyi im probs gonna mostly be watching election coverage in despait tonight and ignoring this, but i'll try to pop in and backread at some point.
yeah i am having major election anxiety as well so i will be preoccupied soon too x.x
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DoggoLost
wut's the one skill/achievement u'd want to master first to put ur powers in full effect though? 😏
Time managment
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aquamxrinee
uhm okay?
Why do you seen so iffy with the question what else is there to understand
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because i have no clue what u talking about
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aquamxrinee
because i have no clue what u talking about
Do you still need me to explain
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sure
6:25 p.m.
my bad guys 😭
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Ernie
Im not town 😞
i
6:26 p.m.
^WTF I believe this
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tbf i say that as town but i believe that
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Stett
^WTF I believe this
🙀
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i kinda wanna vote ernie too
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Ernie
🙀
alright fess up who's your partner
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Stett
alright fess up who's your partner
It's my pet dog mitch
6:27 p.m.
And my great grandmother
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Sorry to snitch on them
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monkaMath so which of yall is a dog named mitch and which of yall is a great grandma
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WaNObI
More like you know stuff that we dont know trying to make friends with everyone and slip under the radar , which is what i meant catsit
ngl confused how u arrived at this conclusion and i have to disagree, i feel like i am being very open with my thoughts as they float by, it's just that it is the first half of day 1 and i am playing with mostly people i never met before
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ernie xia doggo gg
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If ernie is actually a goon this makes my possible pair provable/probable lol
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Stett
monkaMath so which of yall is a dog named mitch and which of yall is a great grandma
Yo bro chill the plan isn't to come for me remember?
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Celestia
If ernie is actually a goon this makes my possible pair provable/probable lol
which is
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Stett
how so? i feel like i've barely talked yet lol
oh god no she's only at 5% of her power, there's more to come
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aquamxrinee
which is
2 active 1 inactive
6:29 p.m.
yeah ur def right
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Stett
and arguably less content
agreed
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Stett
its three ` at each side
ty!
6:30 p.m.
this is a test message
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DoggoLost
ngl confused how u arrived at this conclusion and i have to disagree, i feel like i am being very open with my thoughts as they float by, it's just that it is the first half of day 1 and i am playing with mostly people i never met before
Same to me i never played with any of you other than celestia as a stand in still i can go in analyse games and try to solve to me right now i am not seeing this from you in any sense which is why i arrived there
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WaNObI
I am gonna do an analysis on everyone soon but no body is town to me yet , ohh and i am your lovely town , always been town and cant wait to see how you all play
so uh
6:31 p.m.
what ever happened to that?
6:31 p.m.
PopcornMan
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Stett
so uh
It happened iso my messages bork
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Aside from ernie and doggo
6:31 p.m.
What about xia?
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I did do an analysis on each player and how i see them
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Celestia
What about xia?
Hella sus to me
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WaNObI
I read u an aqua as town , want to hear more from ernie , dogo is leaning acum to me , celestia sounds like she was keeping up with the game and talking elsewhere @FreshSpice didnt iso xia and stett yet but i will when i get back i had to go out to meet some people
i mean i saw this but that aint a deepdive lol
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Xia's acting the same as when town from my experience
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scum
6:32 p.m.
i don’t trust u
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yeah u come across as a vet to me
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Her acting is quite strange to me I admit we sorta both did the same like dipping when there's suspicious but she never actually defended herself?
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how many years of experience do all of yall have btw ?
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DoggoLost
yeah u come across as a vet to me
what can i say im built different and doctor fluff butt is jealous
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I feel like her plan is to avoid suspicion as much as possible actively ignoring everything
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Stett
how many years of experience do all of yall have btw ?
1 week and a couple days
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Stett
how many years of experience do all of yall have btw ?
0 weeks here, like 2 weeks of long game exp, 1 year of short game (1min games)
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Is it me or if it's possible that ernie and xia are avoiding as much as possible otherwise we would've read them?
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hmm slightly disagree, i am often confused town on day 1 and 2 and a fair number of my friends are too
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Stett
how many years of experience do all of yall have btw ?
Probably a week
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I have 4 years experience in mafiabot though
6:35 p.m.
Other than that
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i mean any maf experience tbh
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Celestia
Her acting is quite strange to me I admit we sorta both did the same like dipping when there's suspicious but she never actually defended herself?
i just simply haven't really had a need to defend myself yet, i ain't gonna go about and defend myself unless necessary cuz am lazy shrug_weeb
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forums/shortform/popcorn/disc/IRL
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Xiafather
i just simply haven't really had a need to defend myself yet, i ain't gonna go about and defend myself unless necessary cuz am lazy shrug_weeb
Do you still have a migraine
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Xiafather
i just simply haven't really had a need to defend myself yet, i ain't gonna go about and defend myself unless necessary cuz am lazy shrug_weeb
Your sudden pop off kinda icks me
6:36 p.m.
Pop in
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i have like a year of experience on mafia mystery 💀
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As if you've been reading
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hmm yeah ur prob right
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Ernie
Do you still have a migraine
it's slowly getting better, so I've been more available, just woke up from a nap
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Xiafather
i just simply haven't really had a need to defend myself yet, i ain't gonna go about and defend myself unless necessary cuz am lazy shrug_weeb
do you have any old scumgames you could link? pleading
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Stett
i mean i saw this but that aint a deepdive lol
So my finall susses are in doggo and xia , doggo more than xia , earnie is a blank sheet to me honestly atm , and celes is still i wana read more , you and fresh i see the possibility of a v/v or a v/w clashing never both w/w , aqua kinda of towned early just based on it would be hella cringe if she is actually porn acting not knowing rules so yeah , i dont know if i missed anyone
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so just quickly read up
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Xiafather
it's slowly getting better, so I've been more available, just woke up from a nap
That's good
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WaNObI
So my finall susses are in doggo and xia , doggo more than xia , earnie is a blank sheet to me honestly atm , and celes is still i wana read more , you and fresh i see the possibility of a v/v or a v/w clashing never both w/w , aqua kinda of towned early just based on it would be hella cringe if she is actually porn acting not knowing rules so yeah , i dont know if i missed anyone
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So my finall susses are in doggo and xia , doggo more than xia , earnie is a blank sheet to me honestly atm , and celes is still i wana read more , you and fresh i see the possibility of a v/v or a v/w clashing never both w/w , aqua kinda of towned early just based on it would be hella cringe if she is actually porn acting not knowing rules so yeah , i dont know if i missed anyone
what’s porn acting
6:37 p.m.
that sounds innapropriate
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fake derping about rules is not something i would tr ever fwiw
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aquamxrinee
that sounds innapropriate
Maybe cause it has porn in it
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Stett
how many years of experience do all of yall have btw ?
In my case i played on and off irl , and played in a server with friends but nothing like ligit grinding 😂
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Ernie
Maybe cause it has porn in it
yes
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Stett
fake derping about rules is not something i would tr ever fwiw
Derp is like not knowing or informed about the rules right?
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Celestia
Derp is like not knowing or informed about the rules right?
👍
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WaNObI
Time managment
ah very cool, sounds like with all ur choices ur trying to maximize efficiency rather than anything else, you feel like a resource managament strategy gamer
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aquamxrinee
what is the format of the villy/scum count
basically stuff like this
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Celestia
I feel like her plan is to avoid suspicion as much as possible actively ignoring everything
It was more of a i wont point a sus to me that is selling the i am not town vibe but apparently meta says she does that as town so its an uncertain lean so idk
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Ernie
It's my pet dog mitch
pics or ur a filthy liar
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Stett
do you have any old scumgames you could link? pleading
ah I did talk about some of them earlier, let's see #ne63-chat #co17-q12-chat #co17-q13-chat
6:38 p.m.
those are 3 of them at leaat
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Hmm neutral on xia
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NO ACESS LOL
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aquamxrinee
ernie xia doggo gg
oh noes
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DoggoLost
pics or ur a filthy liar
Maybe later
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you prolly need the archive role for them
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I have access
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they've been archived by now
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Xiafather
you prolly need the archive role for them
5upNotes oh gotcha ty
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Stett
5upNotes oh gotcha ty
npnp!
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i’m not gonna metagame (i probably am but too lazy to look at old games)
6:39 p.m.
can yall tell me what u were on the tier list tho
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oh wtf your wolf partner was sceppy
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aquamxrinee
what’s porn acting
Its in the term , as Extremely bad and cheesy acting, like that seen in pornography.
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WaNObI
Its in the term , as Extremely bad and cheesy acting, like that seen in pornography.
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well uh :wowee: so far the #ne63-chat iso sounds p similar to this game
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Stett
oh wtf your wolf partner was sceppy
yee best wolf partner so far
6:41 p.m.
thinks
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Stett
well uh :wowee: so far the #ne63-chat iso sounds p similar to this game
fresh said xia acts same as town and scum
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breaths heavy
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Ernie probably thought that reverse psychology would work and that him saying he's not town would make us believe he's trolling and is likely a town, kinda backfired assuming I was right.
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DoggoLost
ah very cool, sounds like with all ur choices ur trying to maximize efficiency rather than anything else, you feel like a resource managament strategy gamer
I am also balls to the wall aggressive kind of gamer sometimes as well so yeah
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I HAVE FINALLY
6:41 p.m.
caught up
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do you have any examples you could link of you saying this SoD1 as town? @Xiafather
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i feel like i just climbed a mountain
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aquamxrinee
fresh said xia acts same as town and scum
Kinda makes her unpredictable
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Celestia
Ernie probably thought that reverse psychology would work and that him saying he's not town would make us believe he's trolling and is likely a town, kinda backfired assuming I was right.
Ohhhh crap!
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hi xiay, hi celest, hi ernie, hi wanobi
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DoggoLost
hi xiay, hi celest, hi ernie, hi wanobi
Yo
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DoggoLost
hi xiay, hi celest, hi ernie, hi wanobi
Low hanging fruits
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aquamxrinee
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Dont take it litterly didnt mean it as in you doing porn just the whole cheesy bit its used a ton in that sense sorry if its new to you though
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do you have any examples you could link of you saying this SoD1 as town? @Xiafather
uh I honestly don't remember because most of my games were months ago, but I can get on my laptop to check rq (since it'd be faster to do so there than on phone)
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WaNObI
Dont take it litterly didnt mean it as in you doing porn just the whole cheesy bit its used a ton in that sense sorry if its new to you though
nah it’s just funny
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Celestia
Ernie probably thought that reverse psychology would work and that him saying he's not town would make us believe he's trolling and is likely a town, kinda backfired assuming I was right.
If this is true throw of the century if he is town we get a ton of info as a shit ton of people pounced on it like they chasing prey so lets see
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hi xiay, hi celest, hi ernie, hi wanobi
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it's not much but after reading back my biggest thought is that aqua is probably town. for a while the stett vs fresh interactions seemed sus to me as well but i think i give them the tiniest of tiny town leans due to sheer volume and engagement, more confident on stett than fresh tho. xia and the others null or slight scum lean. Take this all with a massive grain of salt, my day 1 reads are bad and I have not looked at past games yet.
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uh I honestly don't remember because most of my games were months ago, but I can get on my laptop to check rq (since it'd be faster to do so there than on phone)
if you have a recent town game that's fine too and i can just crosscheck
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it's not much but after reading back my biggest thought is that aqua is probably town. for a while the stett vs fresh interactions seemed sus to me as well but i think i give them the tiniest of tiny town leans due to sheer volume and engagement, more confident on stett than fresh tho. xia and the others null or slight scum lean. Take this all with a massive grain of salt, my day 1 reads are bad and I have not looked at past games yet.
Thanks for the reads , and for finishing the whole mountain
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it's not much but after reading back my biggest thought is that aqua is probably town. for a while the stett vs fresh interactions seemed sus to me as well but i think i give them the tiniest of tiny town leans due to sheer volume and engagement, more confident on stett than fresh tho. xia and the others null or slight scum lean. Take this all with a massive grain of salt, my day 1 reads are bad and I have not looked at past games yet.
Thoughts on fresh?
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I feel like he's more town leaning though
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Thoughts on fresh?
fresh is null, but if i had to choose then barely barely townlean. his aggression seems higher than i remember, but i feel like that could be read in either direction. i need to read more of his games, but from what i remember of him in our one past game he was a bit opinionated and willing to push as town so that matches so far. the thing that gives me the most hesitation about him is just how much he's attacked me for silly things.
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question dog: do you think fresh has tried to engage you and solve you, or just push you as scum? im curious what your pov is
6:51 p.m.
like: does it feel like a solve attempt, or just pushing for the sake of pushing
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that's actually a really good question.
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Stett
if you have a recent town game that's fine too and i can just crosscheck
hmm my most recent ones would be ones where i ended up subbing out for different reasons XiaKEK but let's see, for ones where i didn't sub out the most recent ones would be #ne64-chat, #co17-sf1-chat #co17-q2-chat
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oh wow lol
6:53 p.m.
uh
6:53 p.m.
sod you
6:53 p.m.
has a lot more towney entitlement in #ne64-chat
6:53 p.m.
5upThink
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it was also my 4th game in here iirc
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like this isnt a vibe i've got from you this game at all
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going to go watch election shit be back idk
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YAA enjoy kornacki cam
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because i've experienced before that people sussed me more exactly because i acted that exact way so i started to avoid acting that way as much
6:55 p.m.
comfy
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parts of it feel like pushing for the sake of it, like him saying i was scummy for starting to develop my thoughts on aqua. but i feel like when fresh was talking to stett that it felt more like he was trying to solve stett... hmm yeah this question is inch resting,
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fresh is null, but if i had to choose then barely barely townlean. his aggression seems higher than i remember, but i feel like that could be read in either direction. i need to read more of his games, but from what i remember of him in our one past game he was a bit opinionated and willing to push as town so that matches so far. the thing that gives me the most hesitation about him is just how much he's attacked me for silly things.
Atleast their character isn't consistent
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Xiafather
because i've experienced before that people sussed me more exactly because i acted that exact way so i started to avoid acting that way as much
5upThink but that's towny tho wut lol
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Inconsistent*
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being like "fuck you lol imma flip town and you'll regret it if u flip me 💅 " is actually hard for mafia to fake well
6:56 p.m.
but as said, there have been some bad games
6:56 p.m.
comfy
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Stett
being like "fuck you lol imma flip town and you'll regret it if u flip me 💅 " is actually hard for mafia to fake well
I still got hanged for that
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Celestia
I still got hanged for that
skill issue by the town tbh
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My second game
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so i somehow just dropped it because i got sussed more for it a few times
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inchresting 5upNotes
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4/? Of my games I get suspected day 1
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+ i also did it a lil as scum sometimes iirc so people stopped believing me as much out of those who know me well XiaKEK
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So honestly I'm mentally prepared to defend myself
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but also xia :curtain: you gave reads wayyyy earlier in #ne64-chat too and were cagey in #ne63-chat
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alright, i have a list of games to read that i gathered last night, i will try to get through them as i watch election results come in.
6:58 p.m.
forgive me if i asked already and missed, but celestia wut is ur home site / where can i read ur past games?
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DoggoLost
forgive me if i asked already and missed, but celestia wut is ur home site / where can i read ur past games?
Unfortunately my past games didn't get archived
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ah ripperino
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It was ne9 and ne81 I think
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9 o.o
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Nvm it was ex9
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81 should be archived? unless u meant 8, not 81
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DoggoLost
81 should be archived? unless u meant 8, not 81
No it was definitely 81
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so that was just like a few days ago / week ago?
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Stett
but also xia :curtain: you gave reads wayyyy earlier in #ne64-chat too and were cagey in #ne63-chat
ne63 was my very first time scum game here, and ne64 was my first game as citizen, my first 2 town games were both as mason XiaKEK and to be fair, i was also more familiar with the players then, in ne64 so some of them were just a lot easier for me to read at the time
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okie
7:01 p.m.
i do see 81 in the archive so i can add that to my list
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#ne81-chat
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OHHH
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FINALLY
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#ex9-chat
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rn i haven't really properly played a game in quite a while, so i'm not as familiar with as many players now, since there's more people now that i've never played before thinks
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Okay if anyone's gonna meta read me
7:02 p.m.
There's that
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i'm taking tomorrow off from work (since i anticipate staying up all night) but that means i should be around by late afternoon
7:03 p.m.
no reations, stett T_T
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stett don't use reactions
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help sorry my brain broke
7:03 p.m.
all good, it happens
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Celestia
There's that
👍
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okay, for now tho
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oh both are town games
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i gotta force myself to sleep, gotta wake up early-ish tomorrow and force myself to go sit at uni to finish up an assignment that's due thursday remsigh
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hmm i would ask if there's any dif you've noticed with wanobi so far, but he was pr that game and pr tend to read dif than vt :wowee:
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but i'll read up and answer any questions when i wake up, so dun be afraid to ping and give any questions
7:05 p.m.
99Ayay
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@aquamxrinee out of curiosity, how much would you say your reads are based in who's active atm?
7:07 p.m.
b/c it kinda reads like you're flipping your reads a bit to appeal to whoever is active when you're talking
7:08 p.m.
catsit
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I feel like we should investigate people who are consistent with their reads no?
7:11 p.m.
both consistency and overfloppyness can be issues for dif reasons
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Its easy for scum to makes reads and then immediately getting rid of suspicion
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no reeval means you dont actually care what people are saying
7:11 p.m.
flopping too much can be appealy
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Stett
both consistency and overfloppyness can be issues for dif reasons
I mean but suddenly switching targets for no reason?
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specifically: when i was active this morning it felt like awua was insinuating a scumread on fresh, but when fresh started posting and i was afk she started sussing me, and it kinda feels like she was yes anding the fight a bit while appealing to whoever was loudest at the time
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Celestia
I mean but suddenly switching targets for no reason?
scum will 1000% quickflip if they feel like their pet sus is picking up townreads
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specifically: when i was active this morning it felt like awua was insinuating a scumread on fresh, but when fresh started posting and i was afk she started sussing me, and it kinda feels like she was yes anding the fight a bit while appealing to whoever was loudest at the time
Neutral on this but I feel like she should've just waited until there's enough responses
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Stett
skill issue by the town tbh
Some people take it as a sign of wifom
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WaNObI
Some people take it as a sign of wifom
nah
7:18 p.m.
wifom and entitlement have super dif vibes
7:19 p.m.
why are you voting doggo wanobi? PopcornMan
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specifically: when i was active this morning it felt like awua was insinuating a scumread on fresh, but when fresh started posting and i was afk she started sussing me, and it kinda feels like she was yes anding the fight a bit while appealing to whoever was loudest at the time
I did kinda of mention this , they seamed to try appeal to everyone and seem friendly plus there is the whole push sus on someone that was away but would that make the derp intentional is the question ?
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why are you voting doggo wanobi? PopcornMan
It felt to me that his play was of i am coasting through the game with no solve type of play , which i know its day one but most of the questions seamed irrelevant to me , and got no clear indication of what he thinks tell now when i looked back in here
7:22 p.m.
I need to sleep fml
7:23 p.m.
Like all we got is a take this with a grain of salt which idk
7:23 p.m.
Like at least maybe a pair with aqua to a degree idk
7:23 p.m.
But not really
7:24 p.m.
So they are still most sus to me
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5upThink see thing is
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Tbh I kinda see xia being town
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that's basically just what fresh said reworded a little bit
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WaNObI
It felt to me that his play was of i am coasting through the game with no solve type of play , which i know its day one but most of the questions seamed irrelevant to me , and got no clear indication of what he thinks tell now when i looked back in here
which doggo posts did you see that you thought were scummy fluff?
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Celestia
Tbh I kinda see xia being town
Still iffy but not quite
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which doggo posts did you see that you thought were scummy fluff?
His whole start with quirky questions and even tell now i will give him one thing he went back and read is what i feel but i feel he is scared to commit to a sus which why not ?
7:26 p.m.
If your town and fet lynched cause of it you safe at least for day one
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I'm kinda tired to make the rest of the reads but uh. Xia: Neutral Leaning/Less Town. Ernie: Neutral Leaning/Less Scum. Stett: Less Town/Less Scum, kinda 50/50 Doggo: Less Scum/Neutral
My reads are still consistent, haven't changed it one bit
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which doggo posts did you see that you thought were scummy fluff?
I cant pin them one by one but for example when you where asking about xia
7:27 p.m.
Give me a sec
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My second suspicion on doggo is that I don't think he ever backread and mostly just skimmed or used the current information were talking about
7:28 p.m.
He's reads aren't exactly that much
7:29 p.m.
But we can't just assume quantity=quality but this case is different
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Like when u pushed him on what do u think about this situation with xia and ernie and he went later on about he tries to scrutinise players to learn more he claimed xia is tired hell i aint , celest is busy but u dint think she minds he can push u aqua fresh ernie
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But he is just coasting
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doggo 100)% backread lol
7:32 p.m.
they literally went like
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post by post responding to stuff
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while i sat here being like
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"wyd lol"
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My second suspicion on doggo is that I don't think he ever backread and mostly just skimmed or used the current information were talking about
I do feel he read back ngl which is effort he put in as scum as i feel but also one thing for doggo’s case he aint jumping on easy lynches and wagons which in my eyes aqua was doing more of
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Like when u pushed him on what do u think about this situation with xia and ernie and he went later on about he tries to scrutinise players to learn more he claimed xia is tired hell i aint , celest is busy but u dint think she minds he can push u aqua fresh ernie
imma be so fr im struggling to read this and not sure what you're saying
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post by post responding to stuff
I feel like I need to reread but didn't he only responded to the suspicion on him?
7:35 p.m.
This is his response to how i assume he plays town
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WaNObI
I do feel he read back ngl which is effort he put in as scum as i feel but also one thing for doggo’s case he aint jumping on easy lynches and wagons which in my eyes aqua was doing more of
I'm gonna be brutally honest I do feel like aqua is just a misinformed scum
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But if lets say xia is tired there is another 6 players in game
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Derp isn't a good way to tr
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1 is afk
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And I feel like aqua being a noob is consistent with misinformed scum
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One was busy that leaves four
7:36 p.m.
Leaning kinda town
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Celestia
And I feel like aqua being a noob is consistent with misinformed scum
Assuming what she said is correct
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Me not so much
7:36 p.m.
Come push me or u or fresh he could have even aqua but i didnt see any of that
7:37 p.m.
It was more giving judgment on the sidelines like a bystander
7:37 p.m.
Which idk
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Derp isn't a good way to tr
I mean yeah but also they where hella paranoid , they did push names specially when they where away but i can think its cause its a genuine reaction why they aint higher on my sus list
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imma be so fr im struggling to read this and not sure what you're saying
@Stett does what i said now kinda of make sense
7:39 p.m.
Btw sorry if i am losing u guys
7:41 p.m.
some of the wording stuff is just
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im a bit lost sorry
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celest is busy but u dint think she minds he can push u aqua fresh ernie
7:41 p.m.
could you reword this please?
7:42 p.m.
ohhh
7:43 p.m.
wait ok i think i get what you're saying
7:43 p.m.
you're saying doggo claimed he goes hard on people, and he had an excuse to not go hard on celest (b/c busy) or on xia (b/c migraine) but then he should have gone hard on me, aqua, fresh, or ernie
7:44 p.m.
but he didn't hard push any of us, and instead just kept doing commentary
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is that what you're sayin?
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@aquamxrinee out of curiosity, how much would you say your reads are based in who's active atm?
lowkey because to me simply talking is townie
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Stett
specifically: when i was active this morning it felt like awua was insinuating a scumread on fresh, but when fresh started posting and i was afk she started sussing me, and it kinda feels like she was yes anding the fight a bit while appealing to whoever was loudest at the time
i was never scum reading fresh
7:54 p.m.
questioning yes but i always leaned town on him
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Celestia
And I feel like aqua being a noob is consistent with misinformed scum
then why aren’t you voting me?
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aquamxrinee
then why aren’t you voting me?
I would but it seems like people kept saying you were town but I just don't see it
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ok but why are you leaning on others?
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aquamxrinee
ok but why are you leaning on others?
Leaning? So far I only leaned wanobi, fresh and you lowkey before
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you seem to be sheeping others
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aquamxrinee
you seem to be sheeping others
Doesn't everyone does that? Besides you were very hard pushing onto me before
8:09 p.m.
So it's only reasonable for me to suspect you
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i just think that logic is really flawed
8:09 p.m.
sussing someone for sussing you is just…..
8:09 p.m.
kinda cringe
8:09 p.m.
what other reason do you have for sussing me
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aquamxrinee
what other reason do you have for sussing me
I literally said it in my reads
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you just said “misinformed scum”
8:10 p.m.
what am i saying that gives that
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aquamxrinee
what am i saying that gives that
Misinformed as in you weren't aware of the rules
8:11 p.m.
And considering you claimed you were a noob
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how does that point to me being scum?
8:11 p.m.
i said i was a dm noob- not a maf noob
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aquamxrinee
how does that point to me being scum?
It doesn't? But I have other reasons why you could be scum that is why I said misinformed scum
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Celestia
It doesn't? But I have other reasons why you could be scum that is why I said misinformed scum
do you care to share those reasons
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aquamxrinee
do you care to share those reasons
I've posted it on my reads
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im searching through my mentions and i don’t see it
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aquamxrinee
im searching through my mentions and i don’t see it
That's because I didn't mentioned you
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aquamxrinee
kinda cringe
I'm basing it on my experience
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as far as i can tell: a lot of celestia's aqua sus is semi reactionary to aqua jumping on her for not posting/lack of activity. the rest is worry she's overplaying the noob card, and that her spurts of activity are wolfy. She thinks aqua isnt actually trying to read her or give her time to solve, and is worried aqua is pushing her out as LHF.
8:26 p.m.
@Celestia does that seem like a fair summary?
8:28 p.m.
aqua susses celestia b/c she thought she was avoiding thread and promising activity without delivering, and she tends to find that more active players are inno, which makes her wary of celestia being a lot lower posting, + she doesn't like celestia's reactionary sus on her
8:28 p.m.
@aquamxrinee is that p much it?
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think so
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if so, then yall just need to take a few min: iso the person's posts that have nothing to do with you, and use those to talk to each other
8:32 p.m.
main thing i don't like from you fwiw @Celestia is you tend to cut off convos when you're frustrated by saying "it's just my thoughts" that kinda dismisses the other person's attempt to engage: if you're town your thoughts ought to have reasoning behind them. people arent trying to intentionally frustrate you, they're trying to sus out the reasoning to see if its agendad or towny
8:32 p.m.
so just like shutting people down instead of engaging makes it harder to solve you
8:33 p.m.
which, if you're town, is a problem
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Stett
could you reword this please?
What i meant is though xia is tired , there is other players he could have pushed , although celeste is busy and ernies is away from the game , he could have pushed into aqua me you fresh , if that is how he plays
8:33 p.m.
Would this be better ?
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yeee i think i gotchu now
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Stett
is that what you're sayin?
Exactly blobdancing
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DoggoLost
i mean half the time when i scrutinize players i go on them hard and make them frustrated to judge their emotion and see their logic under pressure
out of curiosity, why hasn't this been the case yet? you've def been more fluffposty/backseaty
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I feel like i am not making sense as i am awake here at 4:37 but at the same time cant sleep
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Stett
main thing i don't like from you fwiw @Celestia is you tend to cut off convos when you're frustrated by saying "it's just my thoughts" that kinda dismisses the other person's attempt to engage: if you're town your thoughts ought to have reasoning behind them. people arent trying to intentionally frustrate you, they're trying to sus out the reasoning to see if its agendad or towny
Main point of saying that is because I'm unconfident of whom I suspicious
9:07 p.m.
"That's just my thoughts"
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im gonna watch election stuff and zone out so ping me if you have any Qs :3 rn im still extremely unimpressed by ernie and want more from him. kinda struggling to find the more active 2, so i want to reread when i have a fresher brain. at least fresh/doggo not w/w, wanobi/doggo not w/w, aqua/celestia not w/w. :curtain:
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Celestia
Main point of saying that is because I'm unconfident of whom I suspicious
lack of confidence is valid— the thats just my thoughts thing just kinda comes off as a bit shutdowny, but i can see it not being intentional
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Ernie
Mb I can finally be active now
@Ernie sooooo what happened to this :wowee:
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Stett
lack of confidence is valid— the thats just my thoughts thing just kinda comes off as a bit shutdowny, but i can see it not being intentional
Well I still particularly want to engage even if my wording is kinda shutdowny, overall I'm just honestly unconfident on my suspicious list especially when they're other factors, and just like you said I might also need a fresher brain
9:13 p.m.
Other factors as if what if mafias were all active and suspecting each other out to avoid pairings? What if the scums were the ones making the reads?
9:13 p.m.
As in*
9:16 p.m.
The mechanics of this game is making reads which I'm highly new of but I'm acting as if I know everything, I'm mostly experienced when the game is more mechanical based.
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@Ernie i just read through #ne80-chat and you are like: way more inquisitive there. you poked people for voting you, you ask people for reads, and you spotted that the maf kept repeating "im new idk" when pushed. where has that interest in the game been here? what patterns are you seeing? why don't you care that people are voting you?
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Celestia
The mechanics of this game is making reads which I'm highly new of but I'm acting as if I know everything, I'm mostly experienced when the game is more mechanical based.
5upNotes
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Anyways is it the time to poe?
9:20 p.m.
Or we still don't have enough information
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Stett
@Ernie sooooo what happened to this :wowee:
I hope with this reaction he is mafia honestly cause come tom and he is town this is not gonna be fun
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yeahhh i might not be mentalling able to process this game tonight gang lol. i'll try to be around in the morning. @Ernie please literally take any amount of initiative to show us your process if you're a town
11:10 p.m.
*mentally
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WaNObI
Okay my scum leans are doggo xia and ernie for now not sure on earnie but my vote would go toward dogo or xia honestly for what we have , i feel it would be hard to have 2 town between stett and dr fresh honestly so i dont wana get into that tonight and i also dont want to unpair them and end up with two town i need more time to look into it , as for why xia and doggo , i feel doggo and xia didnt give us much j. Terms of who they are clearly sussing which is more of i dont want to get on anyones bad side kinda play which in my humble experience comes from a wolf type of mentality most of the time i dont know where to go between the two but i think at least one is mafia
you got a point, as i’m reading chat right now, you and celestia have a high quality to low quantity rate, which is pro town to me, low amount of messages and straight to the point of the game. whilst xia and doggo have a lot of quantity but not much solve, and that’s why i’d like for today to be between those 2, cause they still give thoughts is just way too slow for people who are keeping up and have loads of info to work with
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DoggoLost
sort of a broad question for everyone, but do u find that tournament play is different than non tour play? irrc u seemed to be putting more emphasis on xiay's tour meta than her normal game meta.
tournament meta on xia is more important than non tournament meta, cause the tournament she played and the lineup is pretty much identical to this, so the conditions are exactly the same. what are you thoughts on ur own question, cause u seem to disagree with something not sure what?
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Stett
@FreshSpice btw: in case you see me yapping and get antsy that i'm ignoring you: it felt like you were kinda ignoring what i was saying, and i feel there's a good chance we're v/v, so im kinda ignoring you and seeing how you engage with others. i dont think us fighting is helpful at all if you're town, and it feels derailing from the game. But also you're willfully ignoring my points or just intepretting stuff through the worst lens possible which is kinda depressing. I'd ask that you give me the same space i'm giving you, b/c fostering paranoia for no real reason d1 is always pro-wolf.
i get it but fully ignoring me doesn’t really help ur case, cause there is a lot that said and asked that could be helpful to me finding you, and ignoring that is just making it harder, so i don’t really see a logical reason in doing that
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aquamxrinee
when i’m scum, im not confidently right
i’m sorry, but… if ur not confidently right, than that means ur confidently wrong, so u basically just said the same thing for both alignments 💀
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DoggoLost
bro ur acting way more reactive than what i remember from u. i am still backreading, lemme do that and read past games before i attempt solid reads.
I’m in a tournament setting, expected to do good, and when ur expected to do good, there is a pressure to try and be the best. also, i’m not in a NE game with new players getting mentored which is a totally different vibe
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i don’t see an explanation for aqua’s read being better than mine other than you being informed or confident in your own reads, it was just an odd comment imo
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i agree with this, there were multiple times, where xia wasn’t engaging in chat or trying to get involved, and suddenly showed up to reply to a message involving her, which i constantly found weird, cause i feel like pro town is to engage with chat as a whole not just focus on ur self, and scum mind mainly focuses on proving themselves. the part that icks me about xia is that she isn’t getting wagoned for her to be mainly focused on defending herself
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The thing about ernie is that i’d rather if town, him not being the confirmed slot for D2, cause if he is Town than we basically got a useless slot to lead D2 (no disrespect to ernie but that’s just how u have came off the whole game, @Ernie and if u don’t like it I’d suggest trying to put some effort)
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this has such bad intentions behind it it’s actually wild, stett idc if ur ignoring me, but explain to me what that sort of question promotes? i’m not even saying that what u just said it’s AI, but it clearly has bad intentions in it
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the way i played in NE is out of respect as a vet, u can literally cross check all my other town games that aren’t NE and i literally play the same
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@Stett what is ur stance on doggo?
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he backread but not much of his back reading felt like it had an intention to solve the game
6:33 a.m.
@Xiafather @DoggoLost @Ernie since yall are the only people withholding your vote can i understand why you haven’t considered placing a vote?
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@Stett i feel like you have been engaging in pro town conversation some being questions AI, some i don’t really understand in all fairness. But, can i get a read list from you, it’s so hard to get a read on ur progression, when u like put sus on everyone and then claim to town them, i need to see how your reads change and i don’t think ive gotten enough of that. So please if there is a message i ask u not to ignore is this one
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Stett
@Ernie sooooo what happened to this :wowee:
Sleep happened
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Stett
@Ernie i just read through #ne80-chat and you are like: way more inquisitive there. you poked people for voting you, you ask people for reads, and you spotted that the maf kept repeating "im new idk" when pushed. where has that interest in the game been here? what patterns are you seeing? why don't you care that people are voting you?
If I'm being voted what's the point of being like that
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Ernie
If I'm being voted what's the point of being like that
what do u mean by this?
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FreshSpice
what do u mean by this?
If I'm being voted and I'm probably gonna be out what's the point of fully contributing or trying when they're asking to make bad decisions
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather @DoggoLost @Ernie since yall are the only people withholding your vote can i understand why you haven’t considered placing a vote?
Cause i was asleep
6:47 a.m.
And idk who to vote yet
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Ernie
If I'm being voted and I'm probably gonna be out what's the point of fully contributing or trying when they're asking to make bad decisions
ok i reread this 100 times i dont get what it means
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FreshSpice
ok i reread this 100 times i dont get what it means
I mean like tomorrow if I'm still being voted yall will see that your vote did nothing
6:49 a.m.
Well not yours but those voting me
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@Ernie when will u be able to contribute?
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FreshSpice
@Ernie when will u be able to contribute?
I'm in school rn
6:49 a.m.
So in a couple hours
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what if i voted you right now? 👀
6:50 a.m.
and made it 4 votes
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FreshSpice
what if i voted you right now? 👀
You'd be making a bad decision
6:50 a.m.
Which wouldn't do anything different to the game
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@Ernie u got about 12 hours, i have feeling that u play the way u do as town cause u want to be mafia, so please at least try to put out some info for us to work with
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FreshSpice
@Ernie u got about 12 hours, i have feeling that u play the way u do as town cause u want to be mafia, so please at least try to put out some info for us to work with
What do we get for winning the tournament again?
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Ernie
What do we get for winning the tournament again?
Nitro 💀
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FreshSpice
Nitro 💀
I mean atleast it's smth
6:52 a.m.
I'll try later
6:52 a.m.
When school ends
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and i guess u can show off?
6:52 a.m.
that u done good
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Ernie
I'll try later
i don’t want to be that guy but… 💀
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i’m not even going to say it
6:52 a.m.
nothing
6:53 a.m.
I gtg
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i don’t think ur in a great position tournament wise
6:53 a.m.
idek if i’m allowed to say that
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FreshSpice
i don’t think ur in a great position tournament wise
Ok
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@Ernie anyways just do ur best please and try to explain why, and also could u develop a bit more on the reads u have already made like aqua and i think stett if im not wrong
6:54 a.m.
and maybe also look at the other people that u haven’t talked about yet
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chat how we feeling
10:41 a.m.
@Ernie please give us more insights
10:42 a.m.
@FreshSpice voting ernie isn’t gonna give us more info unfortunately
10:43 a.m.
the 3 abstaining are scum fr
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aquamxrinee
@FreshSpice voting ernie isn’t gonna give us more info unfortunately
i feel like he is likely getting voted out today, but i agree with you
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agree
10:51 a.m.
i do think he’s scum but i really want info
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aquamxrinee
i do think he’s scum but i really want info
i don’t, imma be very honest 💀
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i have no choice but to vote for him if he’s not gonna talk
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@aquamxrinee it’s one of those, he is has played pretty much the same as every over game he has played in, and in none of them he gave a fuck or socialised with anyone. i’d think that he is maybe not a town player. not only that but i’d think that by now mafia team would’ve like done something about him in terms of gameplay, like if u look at the whole game no one got stacked like he did today
10:56 a.m.
he just can’t be mafia
10:57 a.m.
he is basically a low hanging fruit that anyone is finding easy to jump on
10:57 a.m.
he is flipping town
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if ernie is mafia, i want to understand the motivation behind his reads being scum on aqua and stett, that’s the one thing that doesn’t make sense to me
11:10 a.m.
oh wait he town read stett
11:10 a.m.
so who did he scum read besides aqua then?
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FreshSpice
The thing about ernie is that i’d rather if town, him not being the confirmed slot for D2, cause if he is Town than we basically got a useless slot to lead D2 (no disrespect to ernie but that’s just how u have came off the whole game, @Ernie and if u don’t like it I’d suggest trying to put some effort)
Good morning cuties , i tottaly agree , but i am like if its a actually him throwing right now its good but i didnt read anything that happened today it would be a throw not to vote him
11:15 a.m.
But keep in mind who switched immediately
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WaNObI
Good morning cuties , i tottaly agree , but i am like if its a actually him throwing right now its good but i didnt read anything that happened today it would be a throw not to vote him
wouldn’t it be a throw to vote him if there is a logical reason to think he is town 💀 even if he is being anti town
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aquamxrinee
@Ernie please give us more insights
I'm eating gang I just got back from school
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and honestly dude has probably gave as much conclusive reads as xia and doggo, imo where both have been flip flopping and stalling who they are confident in pushing
11:17 a.m.
anti town =/= scummy
11:18 a.m.
^ it can be the case, but i’d consider Ernie’s slot as being too wolfy to be wolf
11:20 a.m.
and when a player is playing like way outside of how a scum should play specially in a lineup like this, it’s very likely to just being town, i say this from experience playing with a certain player named “chomps” 💀
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Ernie
Well not yours but those voting me
After all this time coming with this is hella wifom and wont change my vote
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heyo
11:52 a.m.
i haven't fully backread yet but did a bit
11:53 a.m.
i have read some past games from stett, xiay, earnie, and celestia
11:53 a.m.
*ernie
11:54 a.m.
leaning a certain way but i will finish backreads just to be sure and then vote and explain
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FreshSpice
he is flipping town
Exactly
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okay yeah newer stuff hasn't changed my mind
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im just having trouble deciding who else to vote
11:57 a.m.
i was thinking celestia but she’s so on attack with me that if she flips town im scared im next
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FreshSpice
wouldn’t it be a throw to vote him if there is a logical reason to think he is town 💀 even if he is being anti town
That is what i said above also like dude is trying hard for us not to vote him if he aint mafia he is a false 9 ,
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it is a bit strange that there’s a push off for ernie tho, there wasn’t as much for celestia
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aquamxrinee
i was thinking celestia but she’s so on attack with me that if she flips town im scared im next
I dont like this mentality ngl
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WaNObI
I dont like this mentality ngl
if she’s inno she survives exc and pushes me out and then we lose
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People stacking on earnie can be an easy use for mafia is what is coming to my mind
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can go into more detail if needed, but i feel like compared to ne81, celestia here had a harsher/less casual opening, her reads there felt more clear / she has longer posts here that don't add a ton more info. and i find it weird that in an early activity read list she put me in the active category when i wasn't very active, but then later accuses me of not backreading and implying i was faking it and not active. just felt inconsistent.
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aquamxrinee
if she’s inno she survives exc and pushes me out and then we lose
Just cause she flipped town doesnt mean you are town is clueless so please steer away from this
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WaNObI
Just cause she flipped town doesnt mean you are town is clueless so please steer away from this
i know i am town tho
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ernie i think has scum potential too, he did seem more involved in ma85.
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aquamxrinee
i know i am town tho
sadcatthumbsup
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but the way celestia's views on me flipped seem very weird
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like if you think im scum then okay? but im not
12:02 p.m.
i think doggo might be scum
12:02 p.m.
more so than celestia
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well
12:03 p.m.
that's fun xD
12:03 p.m.
care to explain?
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you just seem really….dodgy
12:04 p.m.
like almost scared to give your actual thoughts
12:04 p.m.
looking at iso
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u r kinda just
12:04 p.m.
following
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I am the first one to vote celestia
12:04 p.m.
and I am following?
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WaNObI
Exactly
bro what do you mean by exactly? if you think he is flipping town than why you even voting him?
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but i don’t think celestia is scum
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can u explain why you town her
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i think you’re trying to get us to push her
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DoggoLost
can u explain why you town her
she is oddly paranoid
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aquamxrinee
i was thinking celestia but she’s so on attack with me that if she flips town im scared im next
the moment ur a top wagon im throwing fits no cap
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and kinda nooby
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hmm i read it more as inconsistent thsan flat out paranoia
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FreshSpice
the moment ur a top wagon im throwing fits no cap
wdym
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aquamxrinee
it is a bit strange that there’s a push off for ernie tho, there wasn’t as much for celestia
what do u mean?
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and i disagree that she's a noob, my notes from her 81 I even said she sounds like a vet
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FreshSpice
what do u mean?
idk i feel like it’s a push off
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like the amount of reads/questions/slight pressuring she gave in 81 shows she is not new to the game
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ok hold on… my belly is doing backflips right now
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DoggoLost
and i disagree that she's a noob, my notes from her 81 I even said she sounds like a vet
i didn’t meta, but this game she sounds like a noob
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aquamxrinee
idk i feel like it’s a push off
what does a push off even mean
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yeah i agree she sounds noobier this game
12:07 p.m.
which is why i sus
12:07 p.m.
since her previous game she sounded experienced
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aquamxrinee
if she’s inno she survives exc and pushes me out and then we lose
yeah but u shouldn’t be thinking about that as town? 💀
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FreshSpice
what does a push off even mean
off of voting him
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FreshSpice
yeah but u shouldn’t be thinking about that as town? 💀
but i am, because this happened to me in ttg
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i'm sorry i haven't been super active, election and other games are taking up all my free time
12:08 p.m.
wut's ttg?
12:09 p.m.
like iso her in #ne81-chat
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DoggoLost
wut's ttg?
type of gameplay in mafia mystery like this
12:09 p.m.
i need to get archive role
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can get it from role menu at the top
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DoggoLost
can go into more detail if needed, but i feel like compared to ne81, celestia here had a harsher/less casual opening, her reads there felt more clear / she has longer posts here that don't add a ton more info. and i find it weird that in an early activity read list she put me in the active category when i wasn't very active, but then later accuses me of not backreading and implying i was faking it and not active. just felt inconsistent.
for the first time this game i think you actually made a strong post
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u right tho she acting more nooby
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FreshSpice
for the first time this game i think you actually made a strong post
REEEEE
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aquamxrinee
i know i am town tho
u are consensus town, i genuinely don’t see the worry ur having here
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FreshSpice
u are consensus town, i genuinely don’t see the worry ur having here
celestia and wanobi both lowkey scum lean on me
12:11 p.m.
i don’t know who to vote for man
12:12 p.m.
everyone brings up good points
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DoggoLost
and I am following?
i agree this is probably the towniest thing you done, doesn’t erase ur whole game tho
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i have not read wanobi's past game yet, iirc he said he had one here? might be wrong though lemme check
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specially the fact that u went and looked through past games
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do you think we’d see a bus this early
12:13 p.m.
idk my gut felt off about celestia but i don’t have a ton of reasons to go off
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aquamxrinee
i think you’re trying to get us to push her
i doubt he’d have the ability to do that specially since he is consensus scum, and if most people read u mafia u tend to have no say over votes anyways
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FreshSpice
i agree this is probably the towniest thing you done, doesn’t erase ur whole game tho
yeah fair, i definitely admit this game has not been a prior for me until last night when i started my past game reading. my time has been split, this is my first tour and i didn't want to jump in with reads that i couldn't believe in and it took time to be able to meta read
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aquamxrinee
i don’t know who to vote for man
find mafia and don’t worry about the next day, like ur making urself seem more sus by saying that
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*without reads that i could believe in, think that was clear but edit by post anyway
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ok im just gonna vote for celestia rn
12:16 p.m.
i just get scum vibes
12:16 p.m.
i wish i had more to back that
12:16 p.m.
but her way of approaching this game just seems really scummy compared to 81
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icl i love xia but she is taking way longer than usual to place a vote
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i think i lean scum there too
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i'm not seeing wanobi in hall of fame, does he not have past games afterall? I feel like i might have asked him already, lemme iso him real quick
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@DoggoLost ur not off my radar yet but id like to give u a chance to develop your reads
12:20 p.m.
wanobi is kinda confusing me right now
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FreshSpice
@DoggoLost ur not off my radar yet but id like to give u a chance to develop your reads
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FreshSpice
wanobi is kinda confusing me right now
me too
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FreshSpice
bro what do you mean by exactly? if you think he is flipping town than why you even voting him?
@WaNObI u need to respond to this cause this just gave me an icky feeling when i had a positive read on you initially
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wanobi was the only one to answer my superpower question T_T
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like you can’t read someone town or think they are town and just choose to vote them, that just doesn’t make sense at all
12:22 p.m.
@Xiafather where u at?
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FreshSpice
i don’t want to disrespect you, but u sounded a bit UwU 💀 in your latest game, so i’m a lil confused by the tonality switch. idk how much different is the atmosphere in that game compared to here
fresh what was the previous wanobi game u were referring to?
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DoggoLost
fresh what was the previous wanobi game u were referring to?
ex9
12:24 p.m.
i think it was
12:24 p.m.
let me recheck
12:25 p.m.
Ernie:
  • ne80
  • sp57
  • ma85
  • ma86
Stett
  • Mafia Universe Games :
  • — Season 10 G6 (TOWN)
  • — Season 10 Finale (TOWN)
  • — Season 10 SF 1 (TOWN)
  • — Neel the eel invitational (MAFIA)
aquamxrinee
  • TTG Games
Celestia
  • ne81
  • ex9
  • sp57 (MAFIA)
Doggo
  • ma86
  • ma84
  • ne79
  • ne77
  • co18
  • ne75 (MAFIA)
  • ne74
  • ex8
  • ex7
  • ma81
Wanobi
  • ex9
Xiaysa
  • Summer Tournament
  • ma86
  • ma82
  • ne67 (MAFIA)
  • ne64
  • ne63 (MAFIA)
  • ne62
  • ne61
  • ne74
  • sp52
12:25 p.m.
these are the games
12:25 p.m.
i wrote the ones that are mafia
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holy shit that's a list
12:26 p.m.
bro i’m trying to redeem myself for my last game
12:26 p.m.
last tournament*
12:26 p.m.
i could’ve been in the finals if i listened to my read
12:26 p.m.
and my reads tend to be correct but i overthought too much
12:27 p.m.
so i kinda just wanted to go through games to reensure my reads
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ima skim wanobi's iso for this game then move to ex9
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@DoggoLost also ur not as new as i thought u was 💀 i thought u only had like a couple of games played from the way u we’re acting in the me
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also didn't know celestia was in sp57 as scum so i will read that. unless that was the weird supermarket game where everyone was scum.
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bro what do you mean by exactly? if you think he is flipping town than why you even voting him?
I am afraid he will flip town more than anything else and i am really in an internal battle to a degree cause everyone is on him which is caring me but at the same time dude came out and said it and is throwing but not providing anything , so i didnt switch my vote yet but my internal struggle is going on
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@WaNObI can i ask, how much experience do you have playing mafia?
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@DoggoLost also ur not as new as i thought u was 💀 i thought u only had like a couple of games played from the way u we’re acting in the me
i mean i'm more of a let's have fun player
12:30 p.m.
until day 3 or so when I can get aggro and push T_T
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DoggoLost
until day 3 or so when I can get aggro and push T_T
hmm i see
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DoggoLost
i have not read wanobi's past game yet, iirc he said he had one here? might be wrong though lemme check
Its i the same game with celeste , and i came in a slot to replace a tracker
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ah, replace games are kinda hard to read. wut day did u come in on?
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I think was called ex9
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI can i ask, how much experience do you have playing mafia?
@WaNObI
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yeah it's ex9
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI u need to respond to this cause this just gave me an icky feeling when i had a positive read on you initially
Sorry took me a while to respond
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WaNObI
Sorry took me a while to respond
is ex9 the only game of mafia uve ever played?
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI can i ask, how much experience do you have playing mafia?
I played irl mafia snese 2017 , but was fast form kinda mafia , then played on a discord server with friend for a couple of year now , its long form different styles
12:35 p.m.
But this is my first game in server officially
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WaNObI
I played irl mafia snese 2017 , but was fast form kinda mafia , then played on a discord server with friend for a couple of year now , its long form different styles
ok so ur not a noob
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Never played sites or forums
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FreshSpice
ok so ur not a noob
I know the game but new to format and bot here , also not a vet
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i was wondering how Lune ranked u high on her list
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DoggoLost
until day 3 or so when I can get aggro and push T_T
We cant wait for a day 3 here bro
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DoggoLost
ah, replace games are kinda hard to read. wut day did u come in on?
I think day 4
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FreshSpice
is ex9 the only game of mafia uve ever played?
On this server yes
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FreshSpice
i was wondering how Lune ranked u high on her list
Who is lune ?
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@WaNObI Lune made a tier list of who she thinks would win, have a chance at winning, finalist, semi finalist, and wouldn’t qualify, she place 9 people finalist or higher, and she put both me and u finalist
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And i am ranked high blush_cat
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and i was wondering if maybe u played forum mafia or something
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FreshSpice
@WaNObI Lune made a tier list of who she thinks would win, have a chance at winning, finalist, semi finalist, and wouldn’t qualify, she place 9 people finalist or higher, and she put both me and u finalist
Wait lunexia
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WaNObI
Wait lunexia
yes
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Wow that is high prays that is getting me nervous now
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FreshSpice
and i was wondering if maybe u played forum mafia or something
Never did
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WaNObI
Never did
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I can tell you my play around the game stems from my gut reads more than mechanics and i tend to have good reads on people but i am still just getting into the groove of things
12:39 p.m.
But i also joined cause i want to revamp my playstyle
12:39 p.m.
Cause doing that with a group your used to can be hard
12:39 p.m.
So i wanted to meet more players maybe learn new stuff and see what i can evolve
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WaNObI
We cant wait for a day 3 here bro
yeah fully agree
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FreshSpice
Click to see attachment 🖼️
@Lunexia thank you so much hope i love up to the expectations lets see how it goes , and sorry about the reactions didnt know before
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WaNObI
I think day 4
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DoggoLost
yeah fully agree
Start pushing if u can we need it
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how do you feel about my celestia push?
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@FreshSpice did i answer your question on why i am still on ernie like , dude is low hanging fruit they are also being used by mafia or is mafia and is not even fighting it or saying anything which is scaring me in both cases cause he not fighting for mafia nor town which is crazy for me
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DoggoLost
how do you feel about my celestia push?
Your analysis lines up to a degree with some thoughts i had but i feel like celes although can be scummy is still solving or being inquisitive which is why wont be a today push but i am loving that i am seeing and angle from you at least and solid analysis
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@FreshSpice did i answer your question on why i am still on ernie like , dude is low hanging fruit they are also being used by mafia or is mafia and is not even fighting it or saying anything which is scaring me in both cases cause he not fighting for mafia nor town which is crazy for me
i genuinely can’t understand it, imma be very honest, and i did get a icky feeling from it, i’ll probably isolate you xia and prob doggo again to see how i feel about my current reads
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But they did have other points also like trying to shutdown anything not going there way and they could have tried to step away
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cause what u said to me felt like outside of a town’s reasoning
12:44 p.m.
it doesn’t make sense for it come from town
12:45 p.m.
and only reason i’m not going ham either, is because in a way it’s way too sus to also come from mafia
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i don’t think an ernie exc makes sense rn
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FreshSpice
i genuinely can’t understand it, imma be very honest, and i did get a icky feeling from it, i’ll probably isolate you xia and prob doggo again to see how i feel about my current reads
No worries i can understand how it can come off that way but its one thing about you i will keep questioning stuff , and thinking about stuff but it will take alot for me to change from something to another thing untill i see why it needs to change all of the stuff on ernie is good indication he can be town but his lack of interest in the game is killer for town even if he is , and there is also high possibility he flips scum still so if he scum good if he is town and he keeps playing like this then better lose him than an active town cause the guaranteed town is gone when we lynch a mafia so for example i would rather have u here or stett than ernie at that point
12:47 p.m.
Thus i am still on him
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FreshSpice
and only reason i’m not going ham either, is because in a way it’s way too sus to also come from mafia
Again true that you think that way so cant blame you bork
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WaNObI
No worries i can understand how it can come off that way but its one thing about you i will keep questioning stuff , and thinking about stuff but it will take alot for me to change from something to another thing untill i see why it needs to change all of the stuff on ernie is good indication he can be town but his lack of interest in the game is killer for town even if he is , and there is also high possibility he flips scum still so if he scum good if he is town and he keeps playing like this then better lose him than an active town cause the guaranteed town is gone when we lynch a mafia so for example i would rather have u here or stett than ernie at that point
i’m sorry but how can he have a high probability of flipping town, but also simultaneously have a high probability of flipping scum
12:49 p.m.
wanobi ur genuinely confusing me
12:49 p.m.
did this dude manage to pocket me 💀
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OK HI
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Xiafather
OK HI
ok we found a mafia
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sorry, i ended up waking up later than i was planning to and was stuck at uni working all day kms
12:50 p.m.
literally just got back home
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FreshSpice
ok we found a mafia
oh no, i'm caught
12:50 p.m.
whatever shall i do
12:50 p.m.
why
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xia find me mafia, i’m losing my WIM
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FreshSpice
did this dude manage to pocket me 💀
High probability for town : We aint getting push back on voting him We have an eerie silence before the storm He is non chillant People hoped on him He is not even defending High prob of being scum : He did a dare of i am mafia and it back fired He wont even defend himself cause he feels its usless And he didnt add anything to the game tried to lay low and threw the towel
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i feel like i’m going to start playing instinctively if this keeps going on
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uh let's see
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WaNObI
High probability for town : We aint getting push back on voting him We have an eerie silence before the storm He is non chillant People hoped on him He is not even defending High prob of being scum : He did a dare of i am mafia and it back fired He wont even defend himself cause he feels its usless And he didnt add anything to the game tried to lay low and threw the towel
BRO SO ITS JUST FUCKING 50/50 WHAT DO U MEAN HIGH PROBABILITY SCUM HIGH PROBABILITY MAFIA
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FreshSpice
did this dude manage to pocket me 💀
I wish that was the case but i am town through and through u can see from how hard i am trying to help town this game and my analysis sorry i aint on that level of acting yet (edited)
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This dude is mathematically triggering me 💀
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finished my this thread iso on wanobii... biggest thing is he just feels... like genuinely warm? like u know how some sweet interactions can sound pockety? he sounds warm instead and like genuinely interested which i want to tl. but I need to read ex9 for comparison still.
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FreshSpice
BRO SO ITS JUST FUCKING 50/50 WHAT DO U MEAN HIGH PROBABILITY SCUM HIGH PROBABILITY MAFIA
And you get to the point of why i am having an internal struggle with him which i expressed i am having before HAHhahah
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FreshSpice
did this dude manage to pocket me 💀
oof just seeing this message now haha
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after the quick reading up i did before coming by i'd say i do agree on celestia seeming more noob than they did in that ne81 game which is a lil odd there was a while where i though aqua seemed sus for seeming to suddenly change her mind a lot, but rn i honestly just thinks it seems towny from the vibes i'm getting
12:53 p.m.
hmm what else do i have to note
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DoggoLost
finished my this thread iso on wanobii... biggest thing is he just feels... like genuinely warm? like u know how some sweet interactions can sound pockety? he sounds warm instead and like genuinely interested which i want to tl. but I need to read ex9 for comparison still.
you kinda just reminded me of his first message when he said he doesn’t town read anyone till D3, but he is somehow managing better than over half of the lobby
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DoggoLost
finished my this thread iso on wanobii... biggest thing is he just feels... like genuinely warm? like u know how some sweet interactions can sound pockety? he sounds warm instead and like genuinely interested which i want to tl. but I need to read ex9 for comparison still.
Thats cause i aint pocketing no one honestly
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AA I CAN'T THINK
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FreshSpice
you kinda just reminded me of his first message when he said he doesn’t town read anyone till D3, but he is somehow managing better than over half of the lobby
hmm inch resting
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my brain is fried
12:54 p.m.
let's see
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Xiafather
my brain is fried
cracks an egg on xiay's brain
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FreshSpice
you kinda just reminded me of his first message when he said he doesn’t town read anyone till D3, but he is somehow managing better than over half of the lobby
I cant wait for a d3 this mode which i realised later honestly and i am trying to cram it into analysis from what i have
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is it sizzling yet?
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Xiafather
after the quick reading up i did before coming by i'd say i do agree on celestia seeming more noob than they did in that ne81 game which is a lil odd there was a while where i though aqua seemed sus for seeming to suddenly change her mind a lot, but rn i honestly just thinks it seems towny from the vibes i'm getting
honestly i can see the timing argument, but her switch is kinda fearless so to say, specially with her tonality it’s hard to switch reads like that and keep that tonality as mafia
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WaNObI
Thats cause i aint pocketing no one honestly
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so i’d say it leans more to town side than scum
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DoggoLost
hmm inch resting
Why would it be you should have just read it all in my iso ? ????
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WaNObI
I cant wait for a d3 this mode which i realised later honestly and i am trying to cram it into analysis from what i have
that is if u survive till D3 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
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when does the exc go through
12:56 p.m.
today?
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aquamxrinee
when does the exc go through
in exactly 5 hours from now
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ok
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WaNObI
Why would it be you should have just read it all in my iso ? ????
no, the inch resting was that fresh was just reminded by it
12:57 p.m.
all g tho
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ok going to class bye
12:57 p.m.
5 hours
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FreshSpice
xia find me mafia, i’m losing my WIM
but idk, i've been busy with uni work so i'm just gonna say i'm REALLY sorry for that i wasn't planning on ending up this busy so i just haven't gotten to really look deeply into people and from what i've overall skimmed it's hard to pick up too much of any sus vibes for me ngl, i want to trust everyone, there's a lot of good points mentioned etc. and it's honestly currently making me a bit scared at this point at least the maf somewhat seem to be comfortable, if you ask me. and i don't like that
12:57 p.m.
idk
12:58 p.m.
but i do get the feeling that among the mafs we got at least 1 pretty good player who's able to make them overall comfortable
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FreshSpice
that is if u survive till D3 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
I dont see why not unless mafia zero me out but i am good sound of reason for town so i aint afraid of being lynched but if mafia convince town thats a diffrent story then i laid the works for you and stett to pick up and u need to get the breadcrumbs so we win the game also good
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that's my theory as of now, anyways
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DoggoLost
no, the inch resting was that fresh was just reminded by it
Noted
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alright i'm dipping to look at ex9, hopefully i won't be gone long
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i'm not very good at doing reads off of exact things people say or do, etc. since i tend to base my general reads off of the vibes they give me, so i'm sorry if my reads are lacking overall
12:59 p.m.
+ i just haven't had much time
1:00 p.m.
but i'm at least here now
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Xiafather
but idk, i've been busy with uni work so i'm just gonna say i'm REALLY sorry for that i wasn't planning on ending up this busy so i just haven't gotten to really look deeply into people and from what i've overall skimmed it's hard to pick up too much of any sus vibes for me ngl, i want to trust everyone, there's a lot of good points mentioned etc. and it's honestly currently making me a bit scared at this point at least the maf somewhat seem to be comfortable, if you ask me. and i don't like that
Thats why i normally operate on a dont trust anyone untill they flip my perspective , which is why i kind of low key gave you a who i scum lean more than town cause its hard to stay in my absolute town list and i dint want mafia to target or take advantage
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@Xiafather are u planning on withholding ur vote till last minute? what’s the move?
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather are u planning on withholding ur vote till last minute? what’s the move?
i really don't like voting before i'm sure who it is i want to vote, and i believe you're well aware of that as well
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Xiafather
i really don't like voting before i'm sure who it is i want to vote, and i believe you're well aware of that as well
like i get u have no reads, but it gives us no info on u if ur voting is being withhold
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@WaNObI q: and this actually has a point: are you polish?
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Xiafather
i'm not very good at doing reads off of exact things people say or do, etc. since i tend to base my general reads off of the vibes they give me, so i'm sorry if my reads are lacking overall
We have 48 hours of messages with alot of interactions i understand life can be busy but you didnt give us anything love
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WaNObI
We have 48 hours of messages with alot of interactions i understand life can be busy but you didnt give us anything love
yeah dun worry honey, i'm aware.
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Stett
@WaNObI q: and this actually has a point: are you polish?
Jordanian but best friends with a polish guy and also worked for cisco poland remotley bork
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Xiafather
i really don't like voting before i'm sure who it is i want to vote, and i believe you're well aware of that as well
i am aware i’m just saying it’s not pro town to not do so, cause if there is a wagon on mafia and we get a mafia out and ur out of that wagon ur likely going to be left on a poe (this is very situational, but just an example)
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Xiafather
yeah dun worry honey, i'm aware.
I am worried cuteangry
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ok i seriously need a poo
1:02 p.m.
sorry for the image created
1:03 p.m.
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Stett
5upThink ok
Also hoi stett
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@Stett don’t ignore my messages
1:03 p.m.
please
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o/ i love this gonna be stealing it 😂
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FreshSpice
i am aware i’m just saying it’s not pro town to not do so, cause if there is a wagon on mafia and we get a mafia out and ur out of that wagon ur likely going to be left on a poe (this is very situational, but just an example)
yes i know, but there's also still time left until EOD and as mentioned, i just got back home after working at uni all day. i'm sorting out my thoughts to decide who i sus more rn
1:04 p.m.
but i also need to read up more
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FreshSpice
@Stett don’t ignore my messages
are they going to be messages that lead to any fruitfull discussion or are they going to be messages that lead to us yapping at each other and derailing chat?
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FreshSpice
i am aware i’m just saying it’s not pro town to not do so, cause if there is a wagon on mafia and we get a mafia out and ur out of that wagon ur likely going to be left on a poe (this is very situational, but just an example)
Now what do i think of you mentioning this here hmmmm
1:04 p.m.
I am liking it honestly
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Stett
are they going to be messages that lead to any fruitfull discussion or are they going to be messages that lead to us yapping at each other and derailing chat?
go look at them and decide
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But also can be signaling
1:04 p.m.
Can we use gifs ?
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WaNObI
Can we use gifs ?
yes
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I got a warning so i am like what can i do now (edited)
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i didnt see anything in in game or server rules about gifs
1:05 p.m.
it just has to be appropriate
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Stett
are they going to be messages that lead to any fruitfull discussion or are they going to be messages that lead to us yapping at each other and derailing chat?
1:05 p.m.
Cant wait for the answers 😂😂😂
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Stett voted wanobi… inch resting
1:06 p.m.
Cant wait to get an explanation though
1:07 p.m.
And please dont give me a stupid reason about me being still on ernie but i am really intrigued about what u would say
1:07 p.m.
Maybe cause of the popcorn gif bork
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FreshSpice
i get it but fully ignoring me doesn’t really help ur case, cause there is a lot that said and asked that could be helpful to me finding you, and ignoring that is just making it harder, so i don’t really see a logical reason in doing that
the logical reason is that if i think you're town, then continuing a discussion where you keep saying stuff like fully ignoring me doesn’t really help ur case isn't going to help the rest of the game, because it essentially creates a dynamic of me just defending myself while you say " pleading but stett your defense is kinda scummy actuallly". it's a waste of time and posts and effort unless you're mafia, and if you're town you ought to have the skillset to find me off how i engage with others too.
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Stett
the logical reason is that if i think you're town, then continuing a discussion where you keep saying stuff like fully ignoring me doesn’t really help ur case isn't going to help the rest of the game, because it essentially creates a dynamic of me just defending myself while you say " pleading but stett your defense is kinda scummy actuallly". it's a waste of time and posts and effort unless you're mafia, and if you're town you ought to have the skillset to find me off how i engage with others too.
Also u come as defensive nice analysis and resolution i agree
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FreshSpice
this has such bad intentions behind it it’s actually wild, stett idc if ur ignoring me, but explain to me what that sort of question promotes? i’m not even saying that what u just said it’s AI, but it clearly has bad intentions in it
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303678835002445875 this is exactly the type of thing i'm talking about. You're taking a question, and automatically assuming something about it to push the idea i'm scum. My q to doggo doesn't assume anything about your alignment, it's asking dogo to air out his thought process on how he sees the pushes on him.
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FreshSpice
@Stett what is ur stance on doggo?
i think he's town.
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WaNObI
Also u come as defensive nice analysis and resolution i agree
PopcornMan what do you think of my current vote wanobi.
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Stett
the logical reason is that if i think you're town, then continuing a discussion where you keep saying stuff like fully ignoring me doesn’t really help ur case isn't going to help the rest of the game, because it essentially creates a dynamic of me just defending myself while you say " pleading but stett your defense is kinda scummy actuallly". it's a waste of time and posts and effort unless you're mafia, and if you're town you ought to have the skillset to find me off how i engage with others too.
I like the way you engage with town, i don’t particularly like what comes out of it, and i would like to get some sort of conclusive read out of ur interaction with players, which is how i play and how i see most people play in the games ive played in general
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oh wait yall just mentioned it lol
1:11 p.m.
:wowee:
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Stett
PopcornMan what do you think of my current vote wanobi.
Your just probing my reaction to see if would flip trying to gauge where i stand specially with how i am on ernie after switching from dogo , i am styll on dogo as my top sus but i hate what ernie is doing more be it if he is on both sides
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Stett
i think he's town.
now this for example is what i mean, you read him town, but yet loads of players read him scum, so why wouldn’t you give out your reads in hopes to change people’s reads on him?
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So i dont mind your vote
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Stett
i think he's town.
I think what fresh is saying please explain the why
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WaNObI
And please dont give me a stupid reason about me being still on ernie but i am really intrigued about what u would say
a lot of your word choices and sytax stuff feels pockety and appealy, and i've had this problem misreading specifically polish players before, so wanted to check on that first but. not the case. you haven't actually done any analysis i find interesting, but are projecting a chummy vibe, and a lot of your posts feel like busywork
1:14 p.m.
i swear i have explained my read on doggo like 3 times by now but if literally no one recognized it maybe im misunderstanding how clear i've been
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WaNObI
Your just probing my reaction to see if would flip trying to gauge where i stand specially with how i am on ernie after switching from dogo , i am styll on dogo as my top sus but i hate what ernie is doing more be it if he is on both sides
no lol it has nothing to do with your vote
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now this for example is what i mean, you read him town, but yet loads of players read him scum, so why wouldn’t you give out your reads in hopes to change people’s reads on him?
@Stett btw i’m not asking u this to provoke, more so for me to understand why u approach the game the way you do
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heyo need to backread the last 50-60 messages but finished my wan iso in ex9
1:16 p.m.
he seemed chill there, gave reads without omega explanation, ultimately was fooled by scu sam and free and lost. sounded chill and reasonable and confident though. wanobi just curious but wut do u think went wrong for u the most that game>
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post 1 post 2 [post 3] (https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303773246214246571) these 3 posts from today while i was skimming were the specific trigger for me iso skimming you and voting fwiw PopcornMan
1:17 p.m.
oh that failed
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a lot of your word choices and sytax stuff feels pockety and appealy, and i've had this problem misreading specifically polish players before, so wanted to check on that first but. not the case. you haven't actually done any analysis i find interesting, but are projecting a chummy vibe, and a lot of your posts feel like busywork
Thank you so much for the refreshing view first time i got this reaction , about the chummy vibe that just me , with the busy work i guess it can come of my choice of vocab and there long but honestly its cause english i my second language but working on it sadcatthumbsup , i tried my best with analysis but its day one so i dont know , but its fun that i get the reaction as if i am pocketing you guys been keeping me intrigued so fair play hihihi
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now this for example is what i mean, you read him town, but yet loads of players read him scum, so why wouldn’t you give out your reads in hopes to change people’s reads on him?
i swear i've given my read on him like 30 times by now but clearly i haven't been clear enough if thhere's still space for stuff like this so: i'll reparagraph it
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he seemed chill there, gave reads without omega explanation, ultimately was fooled by scu sam and free and lost. sounded chill and reasonable and confident though. wanobi just curious but wut do u think went wrong for u the most that game>
I was handed a position that limited what i can do honestly cause my previous slot owner threw the game , had limited info on roles and mafia utilized that to gain my trust which swayed how i thought about the game
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i swear i've given my read on him like 30 times by now but clearly i haven't been clear enough if thhere's still space for stuff like this so: i'll reparagraph it
i vanity searches his name from: you and i can’t find anything
1:22 p.m.
also, in all fairness it’s kinda hard to keep up with everyone’s reads
1:22 p.m.
specially yours cause i feel like i never know where ur mind is at, even when ur voting
1:23 p.m.
when you voted ernie to me it felt more like u we’re kinda just picking on LHF whilst not having any particular scum reads
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@Stett btw i’m not asking u this to provoke, more so for me to understand why u approach the game the way you do
which is why i said this ^^ cause over all i seem to be struggling to understand how ur looking at the game
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the only point this game i've sussed doggo was after his initial entry. the hope i don't have a ton of posts to sift through. are we meme phase or is there something solid yet? any posts i should look at? -> backreading everyone's posts and responding only to kinda pointless things in pointless ways felt like a potentially lazy scum tactic of looking for prompting instead of taking initiative, and then struggling to make game related content when asked to. BUT some people just struggle more with sod. this was a good response, this felt like towney nonchalence this showed that when presented with meta info, he actually started digging for examples, which maf aren't typically bothered to do, and he then had just a lot of really towny posts b2b2b that showed an interest in the game and an attempt to process what was happening. He feels genuine and solvy in his own way, and even tho there's some process stuff i super disagree with like this that's not the sort of disagreement that typically indicates an alignment difference, just a playstyle difference. I don't really agree with his method of backreading, but i think pretty consistently over the past two days he's had decent thoughts and input and neither you (wanobi) or you (fresh) attempting to engage with ay of it bothers me.
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when you voted ernie to me it felt more like u we’re kinda just picking on LHF whilst not having any particular scum reads
give me a single post from ernie to merit a townread on him.
1:29 p.m.
i play from poe: my goal this game is to find enough solid townreads to box the scum out of the game and ceate a bar of towniness they fall under. ernie hasn't done a single thing this entire game i can justify as towny other than simply not giving a shit. i will accept the argument people don't want to vote him b/c they don't wanna risk him being an IC, but if you have a single reason to TR ernie then frankly, i think you have TMI
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hmm, @WaNObI just a quick question out of curiosity but what do you think we would gain from voting out ernie? if he's maf then that's all well and good, yes, then i've had the wrong way of thought but if he is town (which i do still believe he is, so for me that vote is wasted), then his lynch still won't give us all that much information would it? considering what all he has contributed with so far i'm asking just you this rn since celestia isn't here atm, but will be asking celestia to answer me on this as well whenever she does pop up again
1:31 p.m.
and can someone fill me in on that when it comes to celestia being voted as well?
1:32 p.m.
altho ngl, i would say i do think celes would be my biggest sus as of rn too
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i play from poe: my goal this game is to find enough solid townreads to box the scum out of the game and ceate a bar of towniness they fall under. ernie hasn't done a single thing this entire game i can justify as towny other than simply not giving a shit. i will accept the argument people don't want to vote him b/c they don't wanna risk him being an IC, but if you have a single reason to TR ernie then frankly, i think you have TMI
TMI? so me, doggo, and xia all have TMI?
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rn my box of "not towney enough" is [wanobi, xiaysa, ernie, celestia]. i'm hoping whoever is town in there can pull themselves out of it, and if i'm misclearing anyone, then town in that group playing harder or (worst case) flipping town will help heighten the bar
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TMI? so me, doggo, and xia all have TMI?
? are you saying you, doggo, and xia all townread ernie?
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? are you saying you, doggo, and xia all townread ernie?
yes 💀
1:34 p.m.
@DoggoLost @Xiafather what are your explained reads on ernie, please link me or reexplain ty
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i've interacted with ernie before and as i've also mentioned before in this game, i think he would put more effort into the game and overall seem a bit more motivated and "here" than he has been, and i still do think so. he still hasn't had a single maf game and there isn't much about him that really stands out too much to me, aside from his lack of interaction etc. and i'm pretty sure his maf partners would be pretty unhappy with him and would likely have told him to get it together and be here more to not appear as sus
1:36 p.m.
if i'm wrong and he is maf here, then that's my bad
1:36 p.m.
but i do genuinely believe he's town here
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I find it weird that earnie seemed more open to asking questions and making light comments in ma85 compared to here. his reads weren't every super involved there but big difference to now i think. overall i slightly scum that.
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that's a good point
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1. His gameplay is the same 2. He is kinda cleared by overall VA and the way people have jumped on him for being LHF 3. Only reason i can see for someone being constantly uninterested in playing, is for them to not enjoy being town 4. I feel like by now mafia would’ve done something about the way he is playing 5. His only scum read was consensus town which to me isn’t logical for him to do and doesn’t fit in line if he was “scared scum”
1:37 p.m.
@Stett
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he just doesn't ping me as much as celestia's vet to noob transformation, or i see celestia's stuff as more dangerous to town at least
1:38 p.m.
oop that was meant to fresh' chat
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6. He also doesn’t seem to give a fuck about getting voted out, in all honesty
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hmm that's a good point
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1. His gameplay is the same 2. He is kinda cleared by overall VA and the way people have jumped on him for being LHF 3. Only reason i can see for someone being constantly uninterested in playing, is for them to not enjoy being town 4. I feel like by now mafia would’ve done something about the way he is playing 5. His only scum read was consensus town which to me isn’t logical for him to do and doesn’t fit in line if he was “scared scum”
3 is kinda a stretch, but in all honesty i don’t see a reason for someone to like sign up to games, be inactive, get shouted by people and barely even socialise, but he keeps signing up
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point number 5 i think is actually pretty solid
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It seems like aqua could try to be getting on peoples good sides
fresh, for point 5 I am assuming u mean this post?
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fresh, for point 5 I am assuming u mean this post?
yeah
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it's not a super solid read but yeah seems weird for scum to say
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aqua is kinda omgus’y which doesn’t make sense for that to be his only scum read kind of comment
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still trying to mull things over, but stett's logic on wanobi sounds good. i just still am sus of celestia more.
1:48 p.m.
gonna eat, will be back later
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ok it’s 4 hours before EOD
2:05 p.m.
this is a bit too quiet
2:07 p.m.
ok time to iso wanobi, xia, and celestia
2:07 p.m.
@DoggoLost @Xiafather @Stett @aquamxrinee @WaNObI @Ernie @Celestia Hi
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yes hello
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1. His gameplay is the same 2. He is kinda cleared by overall VA and the way people have jumped on him for being LHF 3. Only reason i can see for someone being constantly uninterested in playing, is for them to not enjoy being town 4. I feel like by now mafia would’ve done something about the way he is playing 5. His only scum read was consensus town which to me isn’t logical for him to do and doesn’t fit in line if he was “scared scum”
point 1 is fair, but i disagree. i read his town game and i think he had way more curiosity there. he questioned people voting him and had some actually meaninful posts. that's completely absent here. 2. no he isnt. mafia will buss a LHF teammate for cred in a heart beat. that is never a point to "clear" someone. 3. why does lack of interest = not enjoying town lolwut? this is pure projection onto nothing he has ever indicated. 4. this is possible. mafia would definitley be begging him to post more make reads etc. but you can't force someone to play the game, and *Ernie has popped in several times saying "im gonna backread/catchup" without demostrably doing so. 5. his literal only reads are me = "pushy" aqua = maybe scummy. if hdgaf about saving himself thats a way to avoid spew. None of these are good reasons to TR someone, and all of them require assuming a very narrow lens of motivation. So I disagree :3
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WaNObI
In general i see it as you can never have solid reads day one but i feel we have some pairs going , i dont like the whole lovey dovey atmosphere of butterflies and rainbows , its giving of stinky vibes and i am gonna dig deep into it like where is the paranoia its day one but people towning other people i am like idk bro u aint town to me before n3 most of the time so yeah
i wonder how consistent this comment has been to his current gameplay over all
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also unfort i have meetings for the rest of the day, but ill probably play eod on mobile in the car. normally 5-6 EST is my commute but, not super fair to the game to dip out eod.
2:16 p.m.
@FreshSpice why does your metric of "i dont wanna hang ernie uwu he might be spewed town 🥺 and he's a useless ic if we're wrong" not also apply to celestia?
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also unfort i have meetings for the rest of the day, but ill probably play eod on mobile in the car. normally 5-6 EST is my commute but, not super fair to the game to dip out eod.
(as in in the parkinglot not while driving. im not going to do illegal driving mafia dw :wowee: )
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@FreshSpice why does your metric of "i dont wanna hang ernie uwu he might be spewed town 🥺 and he's a useless ic if we're wrong" not also apply to celestia?
have u seen my read list?
2:17 p.m.
and then u commented on me not seeing ur doggo reads after u said it 3 times
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point 1 is fair, but i disagree. i read his town game and i think he had way more curiosity there. he questioned people voting him and had some actually meaninful posts. that's completely absent here. 2. no he isnt. mafia will buss a LHF teammate for cred in a heart beat. that is never a point to "clear" someone. 3. why does lack of interest = not enjoying town lolwut? this is pure projection onto nothing he has ever indicated. 4. this is possible. mafia would definitley be begging him to post more make reads etc. but you can't force someone to play the game, and *Ernie has popped in several times saying "im gonna backread/catchup" without demostrably doing so. 5. his literal only reads are me = "pushy" aqua = maybe scummy. if hdgaf about saving himself thats a way to avoid spew. None of these are good reasons to TR someone, and all of them require assuming a very narrow lens of motivation. So I disagree :3
u disagree with what, this is definitely enough to town lean someone, and valid lol
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FreshSpice
have u seen my read list?
was it from this morning?
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i’m not gonna lock this dude town, but i’m also not gonna have this dude as D1 vote
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who
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Stett
was it from this morning?
not really, but there is a reason i haven’t really looked too much into celestia compared to everyone else
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FreshSpice
not really, but there is a reason i haven’t really looked too much into celestia compared to everyone else
what do you mean by readlist cause i literally cant find a recent readlist as i understand it in ur iso
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FreshSpice
not really, but there is a reason i haven’t really looked too much into celestia compared to everyone else
i goofed, and misread you abstaining as swapping your vote to celestia :wowee:
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Stett
what do you mean by readlist cause i literally cant find a recent readlist as i understand it in ur iso
it wasn’t recent, but i feel like if my opinions had changed i would’ve said it
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i goofed, and misread you abstaining as swapping your vote to celestia :wowee:
oh 💀
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Current Read List: Town read: aquamxrinee Town lean: Celestia (could come back down depending on her game) Null: Ernie (closer to town lean just need more from him) Stett (yes, i don’t TL her anymore) Scum Lean: Doggo Xia Hasn’t spoken: Wanobi (this list is in order, btw)
this is literally the only read list i can fine. i guess i assumed you would have shifted by now given the breadth of new content from doggo, celestia, wanobi
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this is literally the only read list i can fine. i guess i assumed you would have shifted by now given the breadth of new content from doggo, celestia, wanobi
that read list in fact hasn’t changed much 💀
2:22 p.m.
except i’d put wanobi on the SL
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FreshSpice
u disagree with what, this is definitely enough to town lean someone, and valid lol
i literally explained what i disagreed with point by point.
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Stett
i literally explained what i disagreed with point by point.
u can disagree with the point, and agree with the fact that maybe we play the game differently?
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the only point this game i've sussed doggo was after his initial entry. the hope i don't have a ton of posts to sift through. are we meme phase or is there something solid yet? any posts i should look at? -> backreading everyone's posts and responding only to kinda pointless things in pointless ways felt like a potentially lazy scum tactic of looking for prompting instead of taking initiative, and then struggling to make game related content when asked to. BUT some people just struggle more with sod. this was a good response, this felt like towney nonchalence this showed that when presented with meta info, he actually started digging for examples, which maf aren't typically bothered to do, and he then had just a lot of really towny posts b2b2b that showed an interest in the game and an attempt to process what was happening. He feels genuine and solvy in his own way, and even tho there's some process stuff i super disagree with like this that's not the sort of disagreement that typically indicates an alignment difference, just a playstyle difference. I don't really agree with his method of backreading, but i think pretty consistently over the past two days he's had decent thoughts and input and neither you (wanobi) or you (fresh) attempting to engage with ay of it bothers me.
also you aked me to explain my doggo read than completely ignored this
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i haven’t
2:23 p.m.
i read the whole thing
2:24 p.m.
idk if u haven’t noticed from my tone when i was engaging with doggo, but i’m not as confident about my scum read on doggo as i was previously, but yeah i do think u made some valid points
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u can disagree with the point, and agree with the fact that maybe we play the game differently?
if i were a bitch i would pull posts from games of scum doing what you've giving ernie towncred for point by point but..... i wont :p i'll agree to disagree. and he is going to stay on the table until he bothers to play the game he signed up for and either prove himself to be town or not
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i wasn’t really expecting to come out of it with some valid points i more so wanted to see how consistent ur game is, which is why i didn’t reply
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but i understant why you don't want to vote a no contributing despite scum equity d1
2:25 p.m.
thats why im voting wanobi
2:26 p.m.
i think he's scum
2:26 p.m.
and if i'm wrong than he's a good IC to have
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WaNObI
Well the dr is actually fresh ngl , i love your reasoning
i feel like he was a bit too early and too uninformed about the content within the game, idk this could be pocketing This might not be AI, but u caught up a lot in terms of content for only showing up in the second half of the game here @wanobi.eth i can’t help but wonder how u said u found town reading people early odd, and not long after u managed to get a town read on both me and aqua here i feel like this could’ve been with the intention to pocket both consensus town at the time Now this for example, doggo was consensus scum here and u read him scum, it’s kinda like adapting to status quo and slipping under the radar by having the same reads as everyone, but this is partially WIFOM’y of me to say the one thing i can follow with right now is u also reading xia scum for the same reason u read doggo scum (being scared to fuck up) @wanobi.eth you have played with celestia, and should be able to make some sort of meta read i’m wondering why you haven’t done that, and if you could at all give me a thought on how you feel about her game as of now in comparison to ex9
2:44 p.m.
@WaNObI
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idk if this is a good thing or not cause in a way u are being consistent on wanting to be pushing towards those that try less but then again at some point it felt like u weren’t pushing ernie because u said he was prob town and then u voted him later on, which probably explains why u we’re being contradictory asf
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idk if this is a good thing or not cause in a way u are being consistent on wanting to be pushing towards those that try less but then again at some point it felt like u weren’t pushing ernie because u said he was prob town and then u voted him later on, which probably explains why u we’re being contradictory asf
NOT/ pushing ernie, but u we’re in the opposite wagon cause even tho u read doggo mafia u also read ernie town, but i need to fact check how much u actually sussed doggo
3:09 p.m.
ok so this is ur latest mention on ur doggo scum lean, which to me is like u read doggo scum with xia, and u also apparently think ernie is town, and if somehow ur read towards doggo has changed than why didn’t you vote xia and not jump on the ernie wagon? with your latest message also about ernie probably flipping town but voting him regardless makes it worse cause from what you said xia is scum that is scared to make reads… idk how different that is from ernie and how u can jump on the one u read town but not on the one u read scum
3:10 p.m.
@WaNObI if ur reads have changed in either doggo or xia what has changed?
3:11 p.m.
i’m hella drained i’m prob gonna skip xia since i feel like it’s been the same
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ok i just realised how This by celestia is NAI 💀 since it could come from lost scum/lost town/or fabricating scum This is the kinda energy i recall from celestia when reading her NE game, it’s hard to say if it applies in a macro level cause there she was always caught up with the game, and in here she is not This is a fair point, that ur inactivity is basically NAI, i’d say its a stretch to say that u we’re fully engaged in ur sp57 game where u we’re mafia imo, but u we’re definitely not occupied there ok i really like her walls of text here it’s honestly leaning town, they seem easy to follow and i can kinda remember her tone being quite similar to her town game, i just don’t think the playstyle is the same, since in her latest NE game it took long for her to formulate reads, and i don’t think there were walls of reads there either, she is also not coming up with questions to reensure her reads, but this seems likes it’s NAI for her
3:33 p.m.
@Stett @aquamxrinee @Ernie @DoggoLost @WaNObI @Celestia @Xiafather ok i’m getting kinda sleepy, so can yall read through the chat, or what i said for now, and engage
3:34 p.m.
like EOD is in 2 hours
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hmm, @WaNObI just a quick question out of curiosity but what do you think we would gain from voting out ernie? if he's maf then that's all well and good, yes, then i've had the wrong way of thought but if he is town (which i do still believe he is, so for me that vote is wasted), then his lynch still won't give us all that much information would it? considering what all he has contributed with so far i'm asking just you this rn since celestia isn't here atm, but will be asking celestia to answer me on this as well whenever she does pop up again
For me what is more detrimental to the game is that he landed himself here and then just was like fuck it in general kept talking that i would analyses would reply later would get my self out of it and then did nothing 2 hours left and this stands if this is how the whole game is gonna go then he is the fourth mafia regardless instead of town and i would rather get that sorted than anything else
3:42 p.m.
Also funny thing i love how alot of people are not liking my vote on earnie other than ernie him self like bruh didnt even talk about it but freshy you and i dont know who is mentioning like your leaving trails of knowing he is town cause you might have tmi
3:42 p.m.
Which is interesting
3:42 p.m.
I want to lynch mafia more than anything but if town doesnt wana help town then u mafia sorry
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FreshSpice
except i’d put wanobi on the SL
Why do i feel i became your agenda suddenly nothing about my play changed and i am honestly giving you feedback but suddenly i became your poe so thats interesting
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Also funny thing i love how alot of people are not liking my vote on earnie other than ernie him self like bruh didnt even talk about it but freshy you and i dont know who is mentioning like your leaving trails of knowing he is town cause you might have tmi
I’m gonna ignore the tmi bit cause that’s a stretch to make off of nothing. the problem about ur vote is the way u got there in the first place and how you verbalised it not the vote itself (even tho i disagree with it, but that’s NAI)
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Why do I feel like people who voted for me have an agenda, I haven't backread yet but it's just odd
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Why do i feel i became your agenda suddenly nothing about my play changed and i am honestly giving you feedback but suddenly i became your poe so thats interesting
i’m pretty sure i verbalised why u thinking he’ll flip town, and voting him regardless is odd specially considering u have 2 other scum reads who u did not vote
3:49 p.m.
and i’m sure anyone in this lobby could agree with that it feels like kind of a scum slip to me, where u wanted to jump on the wagon but now couldn’t really explain it
3:49 p.m.
since u agreed he’d flip town previously
3:54 p.m.
@WaNObI also can i ask if ur read on xia and doggo has changed in any way?
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i feel like he was a bit too early and too uninformed about the content within the game, idk this could be pocketing This might not be AI, but u caught up a lot in terms of content for only showing up in the second half of the game here @wanobi.eth i can’t help but wonder how u said u found town reading people early odd, and not long after u managed to get a town read on both me and aqua here i feel like this could’ve been with the intention to pocket both consensus town at the time Now this for example, doggo was consensus scum here and u read him scum, it’s kinda like adapting to status quo and slipping under the radar by having the same reads as everyone, but this is partially WIFOM’y of me to say the one thing i can follow with right now is u also reading xia scum for the same reason u read doggo scum (being scared to fuck up) @wanobi.eth you have played with celestia, and should be able to make some sort of meta read i’m wondering why you haven’t done that, and if you could at all give me a thought on how you feel about her game as of now in comparison to ex9
I didnt play with celes i joined the night she died and all of your views are povs from a wrong judgment as point of view , i wont work on pocketing some like that but at the start of the game honestly you where closest to best shot for town to win no one was doing anything so if your doing that as mafia then props to you i dont see it as for aqua most of her confusion and paranoia gave me town vibes thus i towned both , the probing between you and stet gave me a inclination that i cant see 2 of you being mafia one maybe but most likely both town thats whith me having to adapt to the game and try to honestly find towns faster , celestia i didnt interact with in the past game much but i red here play and it didnt indicate anything to me that would let me know her well also i didnt read anyones play out of this game , you could call me lazy on that one , i based my reads on whats happening here but here annoyance sounded geniune , dogo wounds more geniune with how much effort they have into the game and analysis as well xia still didnt give me anything solid and came in with the enfamous i have a headache and i dont know what to think then came to ernies defent like she is still defflicting and wants to get props for finding ernie town later on
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if ernie is mafia, i want to understand the motivation behind his reads being scum on aqua and stett, that’s the one thing that doesn’t make sense to me
Marking this
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I’ll go park and start reading in a min but
3:56 p.m.
@Celestia What do you do and have you done with the numerous posts you’ve “marked”
3:56 p.m.
Can you explain your thoughts on that fresh post, and what about it specifically stood out to you?
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@Celestia What do you do and have you done with the numerous posts you’ve “marked”
No its just easy for me to backread
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@WaNObI why have you pretty much ignored my vote on you but are saying you think you dying might be fresh’s agenda?
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WaNObI
I want to lynch mafia more than anything but if town doesnt wana help town then u mafia sorry
how strong is ur read on ernie? i am hearing a bit of both sides from u about him, but just want to ask for clarification. u seemed more confident in ur last game (even though u were wrong x.x)
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Celestia
Why do I feel like people who voted for me have an agenda, I haven't backread yet but it's just odd
an agenda to find scum, yeah :lenny:
4:07 p.m.
hmm
4:07 p.m.
@aquamxrinee I'm curious to hear ur thoughts on the recent points against wanobi
4:08 p.m.
also want to hear more from celestia once she finishes her backread
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Celestia
Why do I feel like people who voted for me have an agenda, I haven't backread yet but it's just odd
Then look for the agenda and say what falls under it instead of making a generically shady statement
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Sprry for the break i lost internet and just got back home i will continue
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@Xiafather if you don’t take a stance soon I might counterwagon u PopcornMan
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Stett
Then look for the agenda and say what falls under it instead of making a generically shady statement
I'm currently backreading
4:14 p.m.
Honestly I really dislike when the chat Is active at midnight
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well that is the nature of being near eod
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Stett
@WaNObI why have you pretty much ignored my vote on you but are saying you think you dying might be fresh’s agenda?
Because the switch and how it happened to me and all the way it was presented is not presented at me more of something that you can throw at the public to change how they think which is an amazing move and it came after a specific point in time , how he is presenting his findings and the povs he is putting up are based on a judgment that is far away from the truth but can sway a vote or an idea of how someone perceives anything, your sus was different to me it might be in my head but thats how i saw it
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xiay typing a lot
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DoggoLost
how strong is ur read on ernie? i am hearing a bit of both sides from u about him, but just want to ask for clarification. u seemed more confident in ur last game (even though u were wrong x.x)
Thats why i called it an internal conflict cause he can flip anything , and its killing me that he didnt even bother to come put two cents in
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Stett
@Xiafather if you don’t take a stance soon I might counterwagon u PopcornMan
that's fine by me. at this point i honestly don't care it doesn't matter much what i say anyways because it's always "oh it's just the same, it's just the same, nothing different" rn im just tired and don't care what happens, feel free to wagon me all you'd like because rn i doubt I'd be able to really say or do anything that'd convince any of you regardless shrug_weeb wanted to say more but i don't want to bring more unnecessary emotions into this than necessary.
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Also @FreshSpice i did vote dogo before earnie but if someone comes in and says i am scum then doesnt do anything to defend it i would be crazy to say he is not
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but anyways, imma head to bed cuz im tired and doubt I'll be very rational rn
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FreshSpice
ok i just realised how This by celestia is NAI 💀 since it could come from lost scum/lost town/or fabricating scum This is the kinda energy i recall from celestia when reading her NE game, it’s hard to say if it applies in a macro level cause there she was always caught up with the game, and in here she is not This is a fair point, that ur inactivity is basically NAI, i’d say its a stretch to say that u we’re fully engaged in ur sp57 game where u we’re mafia imo, but u we’re definitely not occupied there ok i really like her walls of text here it’s honestly leaning town, they seem easy to follow and i can kinda remember her tone being quite similar to her town game, i just don’t think the playstyle is the same, since in her latest NE game it took long for her to formulate reads, and i don’t think there were walls of reads there either, she is also not coming up with questions to reensure her reads, but this seems likes it’s NAI for her
I can't speak much about 57 since it's on going but I was fully engage that time
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Xiafather
but anyways, imma head to bed cuz im tired and doubt I'll be very rational rn
Hope if this is out if game stuff that you get some good rest and it get solved for you 🤍
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Xiafather
that's fine by me. at this point i honestly don't care it doesn't matter much what i say anyways because it's always "oh it's just the same, it's just the same, nothing different" rn im just tired and don't care what happens, feel free to wagon me all you'd like because rn i doubt I'd be able to really say or do anything that'd convince any of you regardless shrug_weeb wanted to say more but i don't want to bring more unnecessary emotions into this than necessary.
And i hate to see this happen would have loved to play with you all
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After that I just wanna clarify then
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Celestia
Ask me questions
Hi celes
4:21 p.m.
What are your biggest susses atm
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WaNObI
What are your biggest susses atm
Hasn't changed much, I still think the same
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WaNObI
Hope if this is out if game stuff that you get some good rest and it get solved for you 🤍
it mostly is, just there's a lot i want to mention but i feel like it'd just be ATE anyways so it's better to just keep it to myself rn and just let myself calm down more and get into a better state
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But stett is town leaning
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Celestia
But stett is town leaning
There is one between stett and fresh
4:22 p.m.
And i am still trying to find who it is
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WaNObI
There is one between stett and fresh
I think had 2 less town lean which is you and aqua
4:23 p.m.
The rest were neutral
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But honestly now it seams that ernie is town , the flip to him , people defending him to gain brownie points when he flips town and comes to reap the other peoples heads , dogo is inching more towards town aqua has been mia for most today but idk they not a day one lynch
4:25 p.m.
But please for the life of me get me of day one and get your agenda of the table
4:25 p.m.
I cant get to the bottom of this tom
4:25 p.m.
So what happens after the day first 48 hours if i may ask
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I can't really think right now, so all I can do is answer equations
4:26 p.m.
Questions*
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WaNObI
So what happens after the day first 48 hours if i may ask
If it's tied then it would be a flip coin
4:26 p.m.
Between the two of us
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My team for mafia is fresh xia and one in celes/aqua
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Fresh/stett
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You and aqua last cause least sus to me
4:27 p.m.
Most indicative is xia honestly
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WaNObI
Fresh/stett
Interesting choice
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Earnie is 4th
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WaNObI
There is one between stett and fresh
Why?
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Stett
Why?
This is not new i said this alot earlier , its either one of you is maf or both town but never two mafia
4:28 p.m.
And i feel there is one that is mafia in that pairing
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WaNObI
Most indicative is xia honestly
if you think I'm the most indicative then go on and vote me shrug_weeb
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Xiafather
if you think I'm the most indicative then go on and vote me shrug_weeb
Was coming love sorry
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and no need to call me love please
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Celestia
If it's tied then it would be a flip coin
I meant do we have a 24 hour break or is there night chat or do we start day 2 immediately ?
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there's no night phase
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Xiafather
and no need to call me love please
A British figure of speech didnt mean anything by it sorry will take note towards that
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Day 2 immediately I think
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Celestia
Day 2 immediately I think
Good i hate waiting honestly
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maf doesn't get any night kills so ye
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Xiafather
there's no night phase
I remember seeing a 24/48 but didnt understand how that works ?
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WaNObI
I remember seeing a 24/48 but didnt understand how that works ?
that's how it works for regular games yes, but if you took just a minute to read the main sheet you'd find the setup that's being used here (two flags) explained there
4:33 p.m.
under rules and information
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WaNObI
This is not new i said this alot earlier , its either one of you is maf or both town but never two mafia
Yes but why? Because I know I’m town and I think fresh is town, so it feels like you’re selling a false dichotomy.
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WaNObI
I remember seeing a 24/48 but didnt understand how that works ?
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I don't get the fourth one
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Xiafather
if you think I'm the most indicative then go on and vote me shrug_weeb
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Xiafather
Click to see attachment 🖼️
I did read this but i hinestly remember seeing a 48/24 kinda of thing and didn’t know if there is going to be like a break between days or a day that shorter kinda senario bare with me 🙏🏻
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If a citizen survives day 1 and a goon is voted out then the citizen dies again?
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if a town is lynched day 1, then they will stay alive until a mafia is lynched
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Because it says until?
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Xiafather
if a town is lynched day 1, then they will stay alive until a mafia is lynched
So? It’s still better to kill a mafia you haven’t indicated enough interest or presence in the game to sell yourself as a good IC flip, so being like “ok vote me then?” Feels fake. Town shouldn’t want to die here
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Stett
Yes but why? Because I know I’m town and I think fresh is town, so it feels like you’re selling a false dichotomy.
I aint selling anything its just how i am reading the game and how i am analyzing some stuff as if they are preaproved and planned thats how it looks when i looks deeper into it
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Celestia
If a citizen survives day 1 and a goon is voted out then the citizen dies again?
What i got is both die together
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WaNObI
I aint selling anything its just how i am reading the game and how i am analyzing some stuff as if they are preaproved and planned thats how it looks when i looks deeper into it
Like what?
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So your count is less
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If we vote a town d1, and a maf d2, the town and maf both die d2
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Stett
Like what?
Its in my chats and in the timing of everything happened i am sorry but i am tired to go back and explain each point one by one
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If we vote a maf d1 the maf dies d1
4:40 p.m.
Wow trying to backread on mobile is way worse lol
4:40 p.m.
How do y’all do this 💀💀
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aquamxrinee
u right tho she acting more nooby
Can you clarify what makes me more noobier this time? (I genuinely hate the term)
4:41 p.m.
I think for the most part I had rushed my approach of this game
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Celestia
Can you clarify what makes me more noobier this time? (I genuinely hate the term)
the last game was much much more info based, more long talkative posts while here seems to be much less
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And we'll this is my first time participating in a tourney
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aquamxrinee
the last game was much much more info based, more long talkative posts while here seems to be much less
The chat Is only active when I'm offline
4:42 p.m.
Unfortunately
4:42 p.m.
Ask me more questions
4:42 p.m.
@DoggoLost can you clarify why you think I'm noobier this time?
4:43 p.m.
@aquamxrinee if you had to GtH a scum team rb who would it be
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Stett
Wow trying to backread on mobile is way worse lol
what i would do is go to search it would give you the channel you in there is filters in the top right corner chose from , then the name of the person u want to read and start reading
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aquamxrinee
the last game was much much more info based, more long talkative posts while here seems to be much less
hi aqua , you have been way too silent today , can you update me on what u think of everything
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Stett
@aquamxrinee if you had to GtH a scum team rb who would it be
what’s that
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go to home ?
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Stett
So? It’s still better to kill a mafia you haven’t indicated enough interest or presence in the game to sell yourself as a good IC flip, so being like “ok vote me then?” Feels fake. Town shouldn’t want to die here
and? what about it? rn im fine with gambling being lynched d1. it's just funny how it has all been "oh xia is just the same, not doing anything" ofc, it's just my own fault for not doing better rn, and I am sorry for that. I don't do well when I'm on my own without a partner or someone I feel like I can fully trust or rely on, which I feel like I'm lacking here. if I was maf, then dont you fucking think that maybe my maf partners would help keep me updated etc? don't you think that maybe I'd actually DO A LIL MORE if i was maf and actually had some players that i personally knew i could rely on, even if it had been only directly in the maf chat? ofc i get annoyed, but it's mostly at myself rn. for always being a bad town, so if you're town as well then im sorry for doing such a bad job
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WaNObI
what i would do is go to search it would give you the channel you in there is filters in the top right corner chose from , then the name of the person u want to read and start reading
Ik
4:44 p.m.
It’s still pain
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WaNObI
hi aqua , you have been way too silent today , can you update me on what u think of everything
man im exhausted i’ve got like no sleep. but i think celestia is where im at rn
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Stett
It’s still pain
that i can dissagree with xD
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it doesn't take anyone a lot of time to know that in the previous tourney i did better each time i was maf as well, compared to town
4:46 p.m.
if it'll prove I'm town then fine, idc
4:46 p.m.
I was thinking about who to vote for BUT I DONT FRICKING KNOW
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@Xiafather what’re u thinking in terms of votes
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Xiafather
I was thinking about who to vote for BUT I DONT FRICKING KNOW
LMAOO
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aquamxrinee
man im exhausted i’ve got like no sleep. but i think celestia is where im at rn
hope you get some rest , today has been a winding down day for me but its so stressfull also so i am like charged up , btw sorry if i blew up or come off as anoying to anyone
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WaNObI
hope you get some rest , today has been a winding down day for me but its so stressfull also so i am like charged up , btw sorry if i blew up or come off as anoying to anyone
nah it’s fine
4:47 p.m.
im legit exhausted tho
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so whatever, i'll just sheep for the votes this time and then go to sleep
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aquamxrinee
im legit exhausted tho
is it normal to feel your shoulders are metling irl xD
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I'll do better when I can
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WaNObI
is it normal to feel your shoulders are metling irl xD
prob not
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Xiafather
and? what about it? rn im fine with gambling being lynched d1. it's just funny how it has all been "oh xia is just the same, not doing anything" ofc, it's just my own fault for not doing better rn, and I am sorry for that. I don't do well when I'm on my own without a partner or someone I feel like I can fully trust or rely on, which I feel like I'm lacking here. if I was maf, then dont you fucking think that maybe my maf partners would help keep me updated etc? don't you think that maybe I'd actually DO A LIL MORE if i was maf and actually had some players that i personally knew i could rely on, even if it had been only directly in the maf chat? ofc i get annoyed, but it's mostly at myself rn. for always being a bad town, so if you're town as well then im sorry for doing such a bad job
I mean idk your meta lol. I don’t know if you do better with parters or not, but I do know what you’ve said and done here, which is to keep putting the game on the back burner and to say you don’t want to make votes or accusations till you’re certain. It feels like you’re dodging activity. I don’t know if you “do more” as wolf or not, and I think the idea that mafia do more in general for the sake of their team is BS. Town let down their team all the time by failing to make themselves findable. Maf let down their team all the time by failing to post well and trick the town. Im not going to discount your emotions, you can be annoyed and frustrated no matter what, but I do ask if you’re town then you don’t just resort to ATE and giving up. It’s not helpful, it won’t help us find scum, and it won’t help us find you.
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I mean idk your meta lol. I don’t know if you do better with parters or not, but I do know what you’ve said and done here, which is to keep putting the game on the back burner and to say you don’t want to make votes or accusations till you’re certain. It feels like you’re dodging activity. I don’t know if you “do more” as wolf or not, and I think the idea that mafia do more in general for the sake of their team is BS. Town let down their team all the time by failing to make themselves findable. Maf let down their team all the time by failing to post well and trick the town. Im not going to discount your emotions, you can be annoyed and frustrated no matter what, but I do ask if you’re town then you don’t just resort to ATE and giving up. It’s not helpful, it won’t help us find scum, and it won’t help us find you.
yea, I'm sorry
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I can't speak that much with xia since I don't know her well but I do agree with stett here
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i wanna agree but im the type to do the same and i can’t be a hypocrite
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imma just vote and go to bed to cool down
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@Ernie are you going to meaningfully contribute to today at all or not?
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Ernie hasn't done much but he's a low hanging fruit
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LHF =/= town
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i don’t want to vote him for info purposes
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And I’m allowed to ask him to do literally anything
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we won’t get anything from an ernie missexc
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Oh well looks like everyone down to hanged me, despite being honest of everything 🤷‍♀️
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He’s never gonna bother to say shit if yall all say “he’s lhf I don’t wanna” when I try to poke him
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aquamxrinee
we won’t get anything from an ernie missexc
I think we could
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we won’t, he doesn’t talk
4:53 p.m.
and he’s likely town
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My vote is still on ernie
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Celestia
Oh well looks like everyone down to hanged me, despite being honest of everything 🤷‍♀️
That’s a really odd response lol
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i think that thinking an ernie missexc would give us info is odd
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Stett
That’s a really odd response lol
It's really just idk most of my games are being hanged day 1 despite having different approaches
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he legit hasn’t sussed anyone or done anything, he hasn’t even voted at any point
4:54 p.m.
if we’re going to missexc, he’s not the right to do it to
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aquamxrinee
we won’t get anything from an ernie missexc
We won’t get anything from any misexe
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aquamxrinee
i think that thinking an ernie missexc would give us info is odd
ohh it would give us a shit ton of info in my opinion
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Info votes d1 Are a lie
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Stett
We won’t get anything from any misexe
but especially ernie
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dont read in earnie read in all the angels that came in defending earnie so he doesnt lynch them tom xD
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WaNObI
ohh it would give us a shit ton of info in my opinion
what is it gonna give us?
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The only “info vote” that gives you info is a red flip
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and red flip would also give you a ton of info
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WaNObI
dont read in earnie read in all the angels that came in defending earnie so he doesnt lynch them tom xD
if we were scum, why would we defend an afk teammate💀
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Honestly despite ernie being a lhf
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personally i would bus him
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aquamxrinee
if we were scum, why would we defend an afk teammate💀
… to kill a town
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I just can't deal with them being afk?
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aquamxrinee
if we were scum, why would we defend an afk teammate💀
he is town at this point
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exactly
4:55 p.m.
so why would we exc him
4:55 p.m.
there’s 0 benefit
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and it would indicate that they knew he is town if they defend he wont come after there asses tom
4:55 p.m.
and you can paint someone else mafia
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Celestia, u town?
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Stett
Celestia, u town?
Definitely
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what? why would anyone want to execute a clearly inno person
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Then work with me to find a better chop cause
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on day 1
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Rn you’re dying
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but your going with town as consensus so it was ok to lynch him thats what town wanted would be the justification
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Stett
Then work with me to find a better chop cause
How?
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ngl wanobi, this is a little scummy
4:57 p.m.
there’s no benefit to exc a clearly innocent semi afk player d1
4:57 p.m.
gives us absolutely nothing
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aqua what in hell did i say that is scummy thats how i would think if i was freaking mafia
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Celestia
How?
Who do you think is pushing you genuinely? Who feels scum agendad? What motivations do you get from your voters?
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Celestia
@DoggoLost can you clarify why you think I'm noobier this time?
in your ne81 game, your posts seemed more consistent and i could understand your progression more. in this game while you have some long posts they feel less consistent, maybe slightly frazzled, and you first thought i was one of your two active "reads" (you made a post of who was active and who wasn't) which i don't think i deserved. but then later on, when i was actively backreading you claimed i was doing nothing. idk, it sounded like you were just saying fluffy reads without fully reading the thread because of that.
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WaNObI
aqua what in hell did i say that is scummy thats how i would think if i was freaking mafia
it is weird that you are pushing for the execution of a clearly innocent okayer
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you even said it i am before " i am afraid to push someone cause they will come for me the next day"
4:57 p.m.
what would mafia do defend them instead and make town lose 2
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How tf is Ernie a clearly innocent player what lol
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im not going to push an inno 😭
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Stett
How tf is Ernie a clearly innocent player what lol
i feel like he would come back more informed as scum
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He literally
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Stett
How tf is Ernie a clearly innocent player what lol
from how many people came to defend him and his nonchilant attitude
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Hasn’t said
4:58 p.m.
Shit all
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he always pops in and dips not knowing wtf is goin on
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About the game
4:58 p.m.
Where would he look informed
4:58 p.m.
When he’s avoided saying literally any information
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yes because he doesn’t have teammates informing him
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Genuinely
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hi aqua
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And this is a real question
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hi dog
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catching up on latest posts now
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Stett
Who do you think is pushing you genuinely? Who feels scum agendad? What motivations do you get from your voters?
It's weird how aqua straight up just agreed on doggo like saying I was a noob and everything? I admit I rushed things here and basically made reads that could be inconsistent but I was busy that time, I was playing the deviks advocate later because most if not everyone thinks aqua is town which I just don't see
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Why would mafia be talking in scumchat this game
4:59 p.m.
It feels like a blatant waste of time and surrenders thread control
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Celestia
It's weird how aqua straight up just agreed on doggo like saying I was a noob and everything? I admit I rushed things here and basically made reads that could be inconsistent but I was busy that time, I was playing the deviks advocate later because most if not everyone thinks aqua is town which I just don't see
Devil advocate before*
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Celestia
It's weird how aqua straight up just agreed on doggo like saying I was a noob and everything? I admit I rushed things here and basically made reads that could be inconsistent but I was busy that time, I was playing the deviks advocate later because most if not everyone thinks aqua is town which I just don't see
didn’t i say that first?
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If maf Are playing optimally they should just ping each other when they’re being sussed in chat to say “go talk more”
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aquamxrinee
didn’t i say that first?
You did?
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i said you were playing nooby first. (edited)
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I just woke up so my memories are blurry
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I FORGOT I CANT EIDT TRAMAMR
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Celestia
It's weird how aqua straight up just agreed on doggo like saying I was a noob and everything? I admit I rushed things here and basically made reads that could be inconsistent but I was busy that time, I was playing the deviks advocate later because most if not everyone thinks aqua is town which I just don't see
5upThink
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Is this leftover from when aqua pushed you SOD celestia?
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xia voted celes i see
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Both of yall have like
5:01 p.m.
100+ posts since then
5:01 p.m.
How has your read on aqua developed?
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well we have one hour tell end of day
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Stett
How has your read on aqua developed?
Well they're playing it safe
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I don’t disagree with that
5:02 p.m.
But
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there is something on my mind that is outside game info i feel so i am hesitant to say it
5:02 p.m.
but not anything relating directly to game kinda
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I'm mostly honest here as if I'm visualizing that this is a room and I'm talking to real people as if I'm actually experiencing it
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i think its called an angle shot
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And we'll my observations
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so i am worried about basing anything on it
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If it’s ogi
5:03 p.m.
Don’t say it
5:03 p.m.
And don’t bring it up
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Stett
I mean idk your meta lol. I don’t know if you do better with parters or not, but I do know what you’ve said and done here, which is to keep putting the game on the back burner and to say you don’t want to make votes or accusations till you’re certain. It feels like you’re dodging activity. I don’t know if you “do more” as wolf or not, and I think the idea that mafia do more in general for the sake of their team is BS. Town let down their team all the time by failing to make themselves findable. Maf let down their team all the time by failing to post well and trick the town. Im not going to discount your emotions, you can be annoyed and frustrated no matter what, but I do ask if you’re town then you don’t just resort to ATE and giving up. It’s not helpful, it won’t help us find scum, and it won’t help us find you.
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its a view on ernies gameplay that relates to him not playing any mafia games honestly
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I feel like my relationship with aqua won't get us far because it's just unhelpful for the most part
5:03 p.m.
People think her and me are town
5:04 p.m.
But if two towns are having beefs then what's the point?
5:04 p.m.
I wanna see her perspective and I'll share mine too
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Celestia
But if two towns are having beefs then what's the point?
as a statistics game there is one in you and aqua just simple
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You can speculate on ernie’s play style and player achetype using old games as a reference. You can’t like… say anything based on Ernie being active in places outside this chat.
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Xiafather
imma just vote and go to bed to cool down
sending u good vibes if u are feeling bad ;-;
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WaNObI
as a statistics game there is one in you and aqua just simple
Why.
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Stett
Why.
its a gut read based on what happened in the game
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DoggoLost
sending u good vibes if u are feeling bad ;-;
I do wanna admit that I rushed things when I came back and never thought about the consistency of my reads, genuinely was busy
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Stett
He’s never gonna bother to say shit if yall all say “he’s lhf I don’t wanna” when I try to poke him
tbh i do think he was thoroughly poked with all the votes earlier, unless i am misunderstanding wut ur meaning
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For the most part I usually just get defensive every game
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Stett
You can speculate on ernie’s play style and player achetype using old games as a reference. You can’t like… say anything based on Ernie being active in places outside this chat.
its an angle shot so i wont talk about it thats all
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DoggoLost
tbh i do think he was thoroughly poked with all the votes earlier, unless i am misunderstanding wut ur meaning
And he responded to
5:05 p.m.
None of it
5:06 p.m.
Imma poke him till he screams
5:08 p.m.
Im sorry but I don’t think that was towny ate from xia
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@aquamxrinee are there any other reasons than the noob part? I wanna see your perspective and I'll share mine
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I think she’s genuinely busy and genuinely annoyed
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Stett
Im sorry but I don’t think that was towny ate from xia
I do agree on that
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But that just felt like lashing out to get people off her back
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I still think sheeping votes was meh
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@DoggoLost what are your thoughts on aqua and wanobi and why
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Stett
Im sorry but I don’t think that was towny ate from xia
yeah i felt a bit of ate too, trying to think more.
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@Celestia Who originated the “noob” read on you? Because I’m finding doggo, aqua, and xia all echoing it which feels like at some point a scum had to have latched on
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Ate meaning ?
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Stett
@Celestia Who originated the “noob” read on you? Because I’m finding doggo, aqua, and xia all echoing it which feels like at some point a scum had to have latched on
It was aqua
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WaNObI
Ate meaning ?
Appeal to emotion
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Stett
@DoggoLost what are your thoughts on aqua and wanobi and why
aqua has been my biggest town lean from the whole day, but the recent aqua posts i am still processing. idk, how to tell the different between frustrated townie and frustrated scum?
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Celestia
It was aqua
ook
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Stett
Appeal to emotion
Ohh ok cool thanks
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*difference
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Lol I might have been wrong on doggo
5:12 p.m.
Oopsy
5:12 p.m.
His posts have been very uhm
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Okay I think I need to update my list
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Stett
Lol I might have been wrong on doggo
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Okay wait dogfang actually does meta reads
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“I can see that yeah” and “they could be town, but also maf”!!!
5:13 p.m.
Which is
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Just very yes andy of everyone else’s pushes without having to make his own
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i mean i feel like honestly stett ur question is leading
5:13 p.m.
which is fine
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Stett
@DoggoLost what are your thoughts on aqua and wanobi and why
How is this leading?
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but like aqua has been my biggest town read
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That’s great. Elaborate on it please.
5:15 p.m.
Is your sis on celestia mostly sheeting aqua’s read?
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Aus
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Aus
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sus
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Stett
Is your sis on celestia mostly sheeting aqua’s read?
No he just find my read inconsistent
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mean i have zero meta on aqua so there's wholes there but the vibes seemed genuine. goofy nature, sort of quick snippy posts is something i generally town lean.
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DoggoLost
mean i have zero meta on aqua so there's wholes there but the vibes seemed genuine. goofy nature, sort of quick snippy posts is something i generally town lean.
I don't think so
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You’re still town probs gg
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aqua's vote shift to celestia felt genuine, but i might be biased there
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Well poe suspects would be wanobi, me and xia? If nobody suspects on aqua or doggo anymore, fresh and stett are way too clear
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DoggoLost
I find it weird that earnie seemed more open to asking questions and making light comments in ma85 compared to here. his reads weren't every super involved there but big difference to now i think. overall i slightly scum that.
I had this read too. Im curious what you think of aqua, fresh, wanobi, and xia saying it isn’t different and that Ernie is probs town
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Ernie is Ernie
5:18 p.m.
i’m too sleepy for this ngl, imma try and see wassup
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celestia's defense though is kinda just "yeah i was busy and not zero'd in and inconsistent." did u add much more to that / did u wanna add more to that celestia?
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Actually I'm not gonna do anything and defend myself, I'll just let myself flip then it'll reveal as town, I will survive a for day but I think that'll be helpful
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voting xia for now, i don’t think celestia is scum
5:19 p.m.
My problem is
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I don’t think celestia is scum either
5:20 p.m.
But wanobi is voting xia
5:20 p.m.
So I’m not sure who would even work on a scum team with xia
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Stett
I had this read too. Im curious what you think of aqua, fresh, wanobi, and xia saying it isn’t different and that Ernie is probs town
i think it's hard to defend that it isn't different. but different doesn't always mean bad. the tricky thing for me is that we have so many players admitting to being busy and unable to focus their best.
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Stett
So I’m not sure who would even work on a scum team with xia
xia wasn’t pushed for pretty much the whole game in terms of votes
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It would have to be like…. Aqua and ernie or something, and that doesn’t feel right at all given aquas play
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i don’t think that makes them unpaired
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DoggoLost
celestia's defense though is kinda just "yeah i was busy and not zero'd in and inconsistent." did u add much more to that / did u wanna add more to that celestia?
1. I rushed my approaches for this game because I was like I said I was very busy that time and I just skimmed the whole conversations. 2. I putted you in active list but it doesn't mean that you were active in quality just in quantity, you were dodgy and hadn't made that much contributions. 3. And about the backread, we'll I wanna say that my mind changed after stett statement, it was just a hypothesis that I made I never really thought of it. I think for the most part that makes me look like a scum it's because I both suspected aqua and doggo for oblivious or iffy reasons.
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i still prefer wanobi over xia just cause he felt like scum that slipped up, and is kinda trying to make up for it
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I played the devils advocate yesterday and suspected on aqua despite everyone said she's clear
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FreshSpice
i still prefer wanobi over xia just cause he felt like scum that slipped up, and is kinda trying to make up for it
mhm for sure CatThumbsUp
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WaNObI
mhm for sure CatThumbsUp
cool appearance
5:23 p.m.
how long have u been here?
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FreshSpice
i still prefer wanobi over xia just cause he felt like scum that slipped up, and is kinda trying to make up for it
Slipped up how?
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FreshSpice
i still prefer wanobi over xia just cause he felt like scum that slipped up, and is kinda trying to make up for it
can you point to the specific scum slip? sorry if i missed it
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i have it on my pc i havent left
5:23 p.m.
and i reading its eod
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Stett
Slipped up how?
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and tehre is 1:25 min left
5:23 p.m.
but i dont see anything to add
5:23 p.m.
i gave my all
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WaNObI
and tehre is 1:25 min left
Nope
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i wish town the best so yeah
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There’s only 30 min left
5:24 p.m.
i meant
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FreshSpice
i feel like he was a bit too early and too uninformed about the content within the game, idk this could be pocketing This might not be AI, but u caught up a lot in terms of content for only showing up in the second half of the game here @wanobi.eth i can’t help but wonder how u said u found town reading people early odd, and not long after u managed to get a town read on both me and aqua here i feel like this could’ve been with the intention to pocket both consensus town at the time Now this for example, doggo was consensus scum here and u read him scum, it’s kinda like adapting to status quo and slipping under the radar by having the same reads as everyone, but this is partially WIFOM’y of me to say the one thing i can follow with right now is u also reading xia scum for the same reason u read doggo scum (being scared to fuck up) @wanobi.eth you have played with celestia, and should be able to make some sort of meta read i’m wondering why you haven’t done that, and if you could at all give me a thought on how you feel about her game as of now in comparison to ex9
@Stett
5:24 p.m.
read through this
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I do wanna say that I appreciate dogfang for Actually meta reading which I haven't done yet
5:24 p.m.
Yeah
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For the most part I can see drfresh suspecting on wanobi
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The saying you hated early yownreads and everyone was being too ice and chummy
5:25 p.m.
Into making mostly townreads
5:25 p.m.
And trying to project niceness
5:25 p.m.
Was part of my FoS too lol
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DoggoLost
can you point to the specific scum slip? sorry if i missed it
the scum slip for me is him calling ernie likely to flip town, but not voting his scum reads, like if he was to switch off of u cause he read u as town, than he should’ve gonne for xia? at least that’s what i feel like is logical to do
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FreshSpice
the scum slip for me is him calling ernie likely to flip town, but not voting his scum reads, like if he was to switch off of u cause he read u as town, than he should’ve gonne for xia? at least that’s what i feel like is logical to do
ah yeah
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Stett
The saying you hated early yownreads and everyone was being too ice and chummy
this is what i replied to it , if you see it inconsistant be my guest to do what ever you like https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303825006362497146
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WaNObI
I didnt play with celes i joined the night she died and all of your views are povs from a wrong judgment as point of view , i wont work on pocketing some like that but at the start of the game honestly you where closest to best shot for town to win no one was doing anything so if your doing that as mafia then props to you i dont see it as for aqua most of her confusion and paranoia gave me town vibes thus i towned both , the probing between you and stet gave me a inclination that i cant see 2 of you being mafia one maybe but most likely both town thats whith me having to adapt to the game and try to honestly find towns faster , celestia i didnt interact with in the past game much but i red here play and it didnt indicate anything to me that would let me know her well also i didnt read anyones play out of this game , you could call me lazy on that one , i based my reads on whats happening here but here annoyance sounded geniune , dogo wounds more geniune with how much effort they have into the game and analysis as well xia still didnt give me anything solid and came in with the enfamous i have a headache and i dont know what to think then came to ernies defent like she is still defflicting and wants to get props for finding ernie town later on
….
5:27 p.m.
Oh dear
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Stett
And trying to project niceness
but you came in and gave me the for gods sake brother we need to do this diffrently as its a 8 people game and we cant wait tell day 3 so i tried my best
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FreshSpice
the scum slip for me is him calling ernie likely to flip town, but not voting his scum reads, like if he was to switch off of u cause he read u as town, than he should’ve gonne for xia? at least that’s what i feel like is logical to do
and then when i pressured him about this he made an excuse that he knows ernie is flipping town but he also feels like there is a possibility that he flips mafia. his excuse that ernie isn’t useful could be included when mentioning xia even tho obviously their content level is totally different, but i think it still applies
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Lol I think wanobi is town….
5:27 p.m.
:wowee:
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FreshSpice
and then when i pressured him about this he made an excuse that he knows ernie is flipping town but he also feels like there is a possibility that he flips mafia. his excuse that ernie isn’t useful could be included when mentioning xia even tho obviously their content level is totally different, but i think it still applies
ohh hell nah i didnt say anything i know earnie is town bruh dont put words into my mouth
5:28 p.m.
the ernie is town part came later when all of you tried to get brownie points xD
5:28 p.m.
this is fun
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WaNObI
ohh hell nah i didnt say anything i know earnie is town bruh dont put words into my mouth
i’m sure u said this more than once 💀
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i said i dont know what he might flip
5:28 p.m.
he could be town for these reasons
5:28 p.m.
and could be mafia
5:28 p.m.
and specified why
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Someone find me third scum if xia/aqua/ernie contain two maf please…. please
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dont make it come off as if know his alignment for sure dresh
5:29 p.m.
fresh*
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Stett
Lol I think wanobi is town….
can u share ur epiphany?
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I honestly agree with stett, fresh, and wanobi reason with xia
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WaNObI
I am afraid he will flip town more than anything else and i am really in an internal battle to a degree cause everyone is on him which is caring me but at the same time dude came out and said it and is throwing but not providing anything , so i didnt switch my vote yet but my internal struggle is going on
honestly if go From: Wanobi and then type town i’ll see loads of times where u mentioned ernie probably flipping town, here being one of them
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Also fresh you agreed on my post saying that she kinda just pop in and dips?
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DoggoLost
can u share ur epiphany?
The paragraph he linked me sounded towny as shit 5upCry
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FreshSpice
honestly if go From: Wanobi and then type town i’ll see loads of times where u mentioned ernie probably flipping town, here being one of them
yes i am afraid he will flip town but dude came out saying i am scum so thus i also said i have an internal struggle towardws this ordeal but now i dont thankfully no worries
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i'll find it and reread it
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Celestia
I honestly agree with stett, fresh, and wanobi reason with xia
None of us are voting her for the same reason, so what do you mean by this?
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Stett
None of us are voting her for the same reason, so what do you mean by this?
Oh if you haven't checked my post about the suspicion on xia
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Celestia
Also fresh you agreed on my post saying that she kinda just pop in and dips?
who? xia or aqua?
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I mostly composited it
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FreshSpice
who? xia or aqua?
Xia
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FreshSpice
honestly if go From: Wanobi and then type town i’ll see loads of times where u mentioned ernie probably flipping town, here being one of them
is assumptions or reads black and white to you or do they like spawn cause to me we can have diffrent shades of grey tell you town or scum someone ?
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Stett
The paragraph he linked me sounded towny as shit 5upCry
this one right?
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Celestia
Xia
i do agree with that, that is part of it i also kinda felt like at times she was more worried about how people were reading her as opposed to finding a read
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oops why didn't that link
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I need to clarify things up, drfresh suspicion on xia pop in, stett suspicion on xia unwilling to help town, and wanobi almost have the exact Reasoning to stett
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WaNObI
is assumptions or reads black and white to you or do they like spawn cause to me we can have diffrent shades of grey tell you town or scum someone ?
i’m too tired to understand what this means 💀 i’m sorry
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I composite that suspicion reasons of her
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Day 1 Votecount 6 xiaysa: 4 - wanobi.eth , drfresh.1 , stett , .celestia_ludenberg. .celestia_ludenberg.: 3 - doggodumbs , aquamxrinee , xiaysa Abstaining: 1 - kotruce
5:32 p.m.
Well
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FreshSpice
i’m too tired to understand what this means 💀 i’m sorry
no worries we can talk about it later when you feel better n
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Im town, so unless ernie is with like: xia/aqua or fresh/celestia there’s a wolf on both wagons
5:34 p.m.
@Ernie you gonna vote?
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Stett
Im town, so unless ernie is with like: xia/aqua or fresh/celestia there’s a wolf on both wagons
I kinda get your point when you paired me with fresh, since we mostly agreed on each other
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Stett
@Ernie you gonna vote?
Yo
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honestly reading a post like that with so many commas and no periods hurts my brain
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DoggoLost
honestly reading a post like that with so many commas and no periods hurts my brain
Same
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Ernie
Yeah
What do you make of the fact that 5/8 of the lobby have expressed townreads on you
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Stett
What do you make of the fact that 5/8 of the lobby have expressed townreads on you
I feel Normal
5:35 p.m.
I don't know what else I'm supposed to say
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Ernie
Yeah
ernies alive what up
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WaNObI
ernies alive what up
Nothing much wby
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Ernie
I feel Normal
Do you think you’ve given them sufficient reason to town read you?
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Ernie
Nothing much wby
trying figure this out and chilling
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ERNIE
5:36 p.m.
U LIVE
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Stett
Do you think you’ve given them sufficient reason to town read you?
Nah I haven't been that active
5:37 p.m.
But they're correct so idc
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gth who is your biggest sus
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DoggoLost
gth who is your biggest sus
Are you talking to me
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DoggoLost
gth who is your biggest sus
I feel like we need to change this question
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DoggoLost
gth who is your biggest sus
gth ?
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We need to find why isn't he active
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what is gth ?
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Gun to head: giving a read at gunpoint
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WaNObI
gth ?
gun to head, as in no waffling out of it
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Like does he feel paranoid here?
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Like make a choice right now or pew pew
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DoggoLost
gun to head, as in no waffling out of it
Oh that
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DoggoLost
gun to head, as in no waffling out of it
i read this as go to hell and was hella confused xD
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DoggoLost
gth who is your biggest sus
We all know I haven't been active how would I know
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Ernie
Oh that
Is this your first time in the tourney?
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Ernie
But they're correct so idc
honestly i like celes question why so silent most of the game bro ?
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Celestia
Is this your first time in the tourney?
Yeah
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@FreshSpice which celestia post made yoh TR her?
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WaNObI
honestly i like celes question why so silent most of the game bro ?
Do you want a timeline of my day
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ernie how much have u even read x.x
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DoggoLost
ernie how much have u even read x.x
Like the bits that I've been around at
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i can’t help but feel like im on the wrong side of the vote
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Ernie
Do you want a timeline of my day
its up to you what u give us but i am just like i feel you dont care about the game to a degree if that is the case and you busy wana swap out ?
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WaNObI
its up to you what u give us but i am just like i feel you dont care about the game to a degree if that is the case and you busy wana swap out ?
Nah If you can win smth then there's no point in swapping
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at least one maf is voting xia rn surely
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Ernie
Yeah
Do you feel paranoid?
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And at least one is voting celestia
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What made you disinterest?
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Celestia
Do you feel paranoid?
Nah
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That’s the problem innit
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Celestia
What made you disinterest?
I'm just a busy guy what can I say
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pls im so scared im voting wrong
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Ernie
Nah If you can win smth then there's no point in swapping
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Ernie
Nah If you can win smth then there's no point in swapping
if u didn't earn a win does it even feel like a win though?
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DoggoLost
if u didn't earn a win does it even feel like a win though?
You can win nitro if you get first right?
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ernie you really need to be more active
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wait is there actually a prize for winning?
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yes
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Ernie
I'm just a busy guy what can I say
Whats your role?
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other than bragging rights
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aquamxrinee
ernie you really need to be more active
It is a bit annoying trying to win and be inactive so I guess I can day 2
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Celestia
Whats your role?
Citizen
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@FreshSpice why remove your vote from xia
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Who cares about a prize play to respect the time of the people in game either you jfc
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facepalms so hard
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Ernie
Citizen
What made your mind changed?
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@DoggoLost @aqua can you vote xia please ?
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Celestia
What made your mind changed?
About what
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why
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Ernie
About what
You said you weren't town?
5:42 p.m.
You were joking before ?
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We all committed to the game, we all agreed to play, so like. Respect the time we’re putting in if you’re town and try??????
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i feel a snipe is happening or sth i dont know
5:42 p.m.
how xia voted celes came as fishy
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Stett
We all committed to the game, we all agreed to play, so like. Respect the time we’re putting in if you’re town and try??????
i agree
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Fresh didn’t unvote
5:42 p.m.
I invited
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WaNObI
@DoggoLost @aqua can you vote xia please ?
I am considering it but i don't hate my vote either
5:42 p.m.
Unvoted
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WaNObI
how xia voted celes came as fishy
she is trying to save herself that’s not sus
5:43 p.m.
i would do that too
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wut are the tie rules? prio or 50/50?
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aquamxrinee
i would do that too
Scum move tbh
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Celestia
You said you weren't town?
Well earlier I was feeling really mischievous and evil so i said I wasn't town but I'm feeling pretty chill rn so I said that I'm citizen
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DoggoLost
wut are the tie rules? prio or 50/50?
rng
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I unvoted cause celestias posting around ernies entrance is pinging me lol
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aquamxrinee
she is trying to save herself that’s not sus
but she was going i wont vote anyone unless i sus them for sure so idk
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Im not going to let it tie
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Celestia
Scum move tbh
how is it scum to vote to save urself if u know ur inno?
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Im just trying to decide if these wagons are v/v
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yeha icl celestia sounds scum
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@FreshSpice sorry i read the wrong name
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aquamxrinee
how is it scum to vote to save urself if u know ur inno?
The way she's sheeping for votes and most of her replies are about herself
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why would she not try to save herself if she’s inno and she knows this
5:44 p.m.
Ernie can
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deja vu
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Quite unfortunately
5:44 p.m.
Tie the vote
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aquamxrinee
why would she not try to save herself if she’s inno and she knows this
Nobody voted for other than fresh before
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i would just be happy for ernie to vote
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She wasn't in danger
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ok that’s a diff story then
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Aqua I feel like you are just seeing my replies as scum
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Celestia
Nobody voted for other than fresh before
nah i think it was me and stett
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Celestia: worldvuild with me for a sec
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I'm not even sure if your perspective gonna change but whatever
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Best I can tell
5:45 p.m.
You think it’s aqua and xia rn
5:45 p.m.
Yeah?
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when i make up my mind i tend to not go back 💀
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Who fits as a partner with them
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Stett
Yeah?
Not really
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I do think aqua has some towniness
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That's why I want their perspective
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Celestia
I do think aqua has some towniness
What changed your mind?
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Right now im feeling open minded
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im mostly going off vibes and gut icl 💀
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Celestia
Right now im feeling open minded
Also you’re top wagon rn BTW
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Stett
What changed your mind?
? My reads on her was on less town lean
5:47 p.m.
But she is town lean because I do feel like she is paranoid
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I think I must not be understanding what you mean by less town lean 💀
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Stett
I think I must not be understanding what you mean by less town lean 💀
Like they're town but just slight problem
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aquamxrinee
im mostly going off vibes and gut icl 💀
I feel like you need a logical reasoning for that
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@FreshSpice why have you been so quiet and lurky
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If I find something suspicious you need to back it up
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Celestia
I feel like you need a logical reasoning for that
problem is i don’t have a logical reason to vote anyone rn
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Stett
@FreshSpice why have you been so quiet and lurky
he sleepy is what i got
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but i have to vote
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@Ernie pick a maf read rn. Someone whose vibes you don’t like. Who is it?
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nobody apparently
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Oh well if I flip town then I know who I suspect
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me too
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Wym if u flip town
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and it’s not me
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Celestia
Oh well if I flip town then I know who I suspect
if you flip town
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Stett
Wym if u flip town
Like you said I'm the top wagon
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Stett
@Ernie pick a maf read rn. Someone whose vibes you don’t like. Who is it?
The only thing I've got is that couple people ask me about stuff that I probably wouldn't know about which I don't get
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do u need to go and check the role ?
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Celestia
Like you said I'm the top wagon
Yeah but
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if celestia flips inno i can see stett being maf here
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You should knwo your role…
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aquamxrinee
if celestia flips inno i can see stett being maf here
this is hella scummy
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Honestly atp I have an defeatist attitude here
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WaNObI
this is hella scummy
how is it scummy
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I was being honest yesterday hoping someone could Psychoanalysis me
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aquamxrinee
how is it scummy
it is cause your trying to prime a view into other peoples minds
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stett was voting xia and now that votes started moving, they vote celestia?
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Lol ok so celestia is town and aqua is maf got it
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But being honest is a mistake
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Stett
Lol ok so celestia is town and aqua is maf got it
no 💀
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Right so who fits the team then
5:51 p.m.
Does the talking about “I’m scared I’m wrong” make sense if xia is scum?
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Stett
Right so who fits the team then
does that lean indicate dogo though
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often time the person who is the pushiest just isn’t maf
5:51 p.m.
maf is worried about blending
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WaNObI
does that lean indicate dogo though
I think? So?
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Stett
Does the talking about “I’m scared I’m wrong” make sense if xia is scum?
yeah also
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town isn’t
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aqua xia dogo
5:51 p.m.
is a team i can see
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WaNObI
is a team i can see
Finally
5:52 p.m.
Someone gets me
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i can see xia and dog but i’m inno so
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aquamxrinee
i can see xia and dog but i’m inno so
too late for that honey
5:52 p.m.
as i see it
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it might just be wanobi celestia and stett just carrying
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but i could be wrong
5:52 p.m.
i am going back to xia
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and if celestia flips inno?
5:52 p.m.
i mean
5:52 p.m.
scum
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aquamxrinee
i can see xia and dog but i’m inno so
Explain your thought process behind if celestia inno-> stett scum please
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wanobi u sound way too sure rn
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but i just wana see what xia flips though cause it could help
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my brain is kinda frying
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Stett
Explain your thought process behind if celestia inno-> stett scum please
no i think yall might be more likely to be on a team together
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but i think we have good wagonomics
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Alright
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aquamxrinee
no i think yall might be more likely to be on a team together
yeah town xD
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ernie can u flipping vote
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aquamxrinee
if celestia flips inno i can see stett being maf here
.
5:54 p.m.
?
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i said that? 💀
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ok that’s not what i think
5:54 p.m.
i think y’all are likely same alignment
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then why did u say it x.x
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Im so confused 5upCry
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i think celestia could be inno but i would get more info from her flipping then xia
5:54 p.m.
personally
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aquamxrinee
ernie can u flipping vote
idk who to vote bro
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DoggoLost
then why did u say it x.x
im multitasking i must’ve just misspoke
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i agree with more info from celestia
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Ernie
idk who to vote bro
just vote homie
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aquamxrinee
just vote homie
Okay
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that's a big misspeak
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im getting dinner arguing with my family and this all at once
5:55 p.m.
and on 2 hours of sleep
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I swapped to celestia because I hated her posting after ernie recentered thread
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What happens in event of a tie?
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it's a coinflip/rng
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Ernie
What happens in event of a tie?
If you vote celestia I’m probably going to swap
5:56 p.m.
Because tbh elims
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Ernie
What happens in event of a tie?
this here is giving me volumes of info not gonna lie
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Are terrible for solving
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Stett
If you vote celestia I’m probably going to swap
Okay
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the possibilities
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yeah coinflips are pretty unfun to solve
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DoggoLost
yeah coinflips are pretty unfun to solve
not really all we need is there in the vote chat now
5:57 p.m.
you can tell a shit town
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WaNObI
this here is giving me volumes of info not gonna lie
Glad to help
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ihe actually voted ._.
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it just depends on the flip
5:57 p.m.
Im trying to decide
5:57 p.m.
In the world wagons are v/v
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what if i switch
5:57 p.m.
ykw
5:57 p.m.
i like the ppl voting xia more for inno
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Lmfao III
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i personally like the celestia exc more, but the pol voting xia are way more inno
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this eod is something
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and im noob so im going have faith in this
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Stett
Lmfao III
i have my reasons x
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if it’s wrong u can sue me
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WaNObI
i have my reasons x
Hmm
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wanobi ur scaring me
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aquamxrinee
and im noob so im going have faith in this
Didn’t you just say you think me/celestia can be w/w?
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Stett
Didn’t you just say you think me/celestia can be w/w?
yes
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How is the wagon now more inno
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but
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It’s got
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i think yall more likely
5:59 p.m.
v/v
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i acc don’t think celestia is maf i just think she would give us more info flipping
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Hf being ic if you’re town xia
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Stett
Hf being ic if you’re town xia
mhm
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End of Day 1
6:03 p.m.
Start of Day 2
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amazing
6:04 p.m.
Welp
6:04 p.m.
@Xiafather sorry
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ok so i should’ve stayed on celestia
6:04 p.m.
but i didn’t like the ppl voting her
6:04 p.m.
which means
6:04 p.m.
2 innos
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I mean doggo is still town imo so
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honestly confused on why u didn't but not sure i can really think properly rn
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aquamxrinee
ok so i should’ve stayed on celestia
suspicious
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Honestly I was hoping I would gotten voted out
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I really don’t get your voteswap justification
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I had a plan to be more active
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Stett
I really don’t get your voteswap justification
you and fresh are more towny to me
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If I survive for a day
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Because I was signaling I was going to change
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Xia wouldn't be that active
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Stett
I really don’t get your voteswap justification
i dont get his whole interaction last 5 minutes
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But you took control
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It was highly justified to vote for me
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yeah i think we were on two towns
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aquamxrinee
yeah i think we were on two towns
Duh
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Im gonna drive home now
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this is a headache ngl
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yeah icl doggo is maf
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Stett
Bbl
drizzy ?
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he’s way too chill
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WaNObI
drizzy ?
💀
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i wanna pressure dog
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t minus 7 hours until xiay wakes up?
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Stett
💀
couldnt ressist xD
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aquamxrinee
i wanna pressure dog
inch resting, go ahead
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Be back later :wowee:
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Could it be doggo/Ernie as pairs?
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ok i have to eat dinner and go choir
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DoggoLost
inch resting, go ahead
You said that multiple times
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Celestia
Could it be doggo/Ernie as pairs?
this is so likely
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it goes with ur active afk theory
6:07 p.m.
ernie wanobi and doggo as a maf team
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Am I high or is aqua not shady as fuck for everything about those last 3 min
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nah i am
6:08 p.m.
i didn’t like the people voting celestia
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Stett
Am I high or is aqua not shady as fuck for everything about those last 3 min
i was thinking of do i make it intersting and vote now or wait tell later but i see you beat me to it
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can u make an argument to why i am scum aqua? because this seems underdeveloped
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but im realizing it was 2 innos
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aquamxrinee
i didn’t like the people voting celestia
exactly
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DoggoLost
can u make an argument to why i am scum aqua? because this seems underdeveloped
you def attempted to pocket me and i got more sus so u stopped
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like what made u not like them out of the blue
6:08 p.m.
you where fine before
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idk you’re kinda dodgy
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what about them u dont like
6:08 p.m.
i am so confused
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aquamxrinee
you def attempted to pocket me and i got more sus so u stopped
when did i even try to pocket u
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WaNObI
you where fine before
no i always didn’t love it but i rly thought she was maf
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aquamxrinee
but im realizing it was 2 innos
What about xia flipping makes it two innos? Why do you suddenly think celestia is town?
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aquamxrinee
no i always didn’t love it but i rly thought she was maf
then why flip
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DoggoLost
when did i even try to pocket u
you were saying that i was a sure town leak for u
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Stett
What about xia flipping makes it two innos? Why do you suddenly think celestia is town?
the cotes
6:09 p.m.
botes
6:09 p.m.
botes
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WaNObI
then why flip
info
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Stett
Am I high or is aqua not shady as fuck for everything about those last 3 min
Well she said she relies on her gut
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aquamxrinee
info
from where xD
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aquamxrinee
you were saying that i was a sure town leak for u
no i said u were town lean based on tone but that i didn't have meta on u
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WaNObI
from where xD
voting info
6:09 p.m.
oh yeah we’re cooked
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Sleep time
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I was literally signaling that I was going to swap to vote celestia, but would be sus if you if she flipped town. You then jumped into xia with the justification that the wagon looked cleaner before I could swap
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Ernie
Sleep time
see you 5 min before eod ernie
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yeah im sus for that just vote me out
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i would have loved for you to at least read day one and come with analysis
6:10 p.m.
please
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im new to this type of play, 1m is just so diff
6:10 p.m.
u can exc me
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There's way too much going on
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WaNObI
i would have loved for you to at least read day one and come with analysis
When will next day end again?
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Ernie
When will next day end again?
48 hours from now
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can we stay away from hammer for a bit
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aquamxrinee
yeah im sus for that just vote me out
Bruv. If we vote wrong again today game is gigacooked. If you’re town don’t say stuff like this
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i don't want to rush this
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WaNObI
48 hours from now
I'll be more active I promise 😞
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Ernie
I'll be more active I promise 😞
……
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Stett
Bruv. If we vote wrong again today game is gigacooked. If you’re town don’t say stuff like this
okay but what am i supposed to say? like im town if yall don’t believe me then whatever
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Ernie
I'll be more active I promise 😞
its all good
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usually the most sus people aren’t maf
6:11 p.m.
and it’s never the least sus
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aquamxrinee
okay but what am i supposed to say? like im town if yall don’t believe me then whatever
Then move on and explain your motivations and keep solving
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always the middle sus
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Stett
Then move on and explain your motivations and keep solving
i said my motivations? it was an info vote and the people voting celestia were scummy to me
6:12 p.m.
i wanted to vote with inno
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aquamxrinee
usually the most sus people aren’t maf
can you just read your last messages and see it from our pov ?
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WaNObI
can you just read your last messages and see it from our pov ?
yes i am the most sus person hence why im not maf
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always the middle sus? this sounds made up, has anyone else heard that before?
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Let's not try to wagon aqua
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aquamxrinee
i wanted to vote with inno
But I had already said that there were almost always wolves voting on both wagons ;-; vote either inno is meaningless in that case
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What did aqua do again?
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aquamxrinee
i wanted to vote with inno
how do u know we are inno ?
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why are we tunneling rn
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Ernie
What did aqua do again?
aqua changed vote as last second
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DoggoLost
always the middle sus? this sounds made up, has anyone else heard that before?
50%
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DoggoLost
aqua changed vote as last second
Oh okay
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WaNObI
how do u know we are inno ?
my inno reads are fresh stett and now xi
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anyways fresh dipping on eod despite being most active player is cringe but w/e. Im driving home. Don’t try to maj anyone that’s how we lose
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it was NOT last second. it was with 3 minutes left and i legit explained it
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aquamxrinee
my inno reads are fresh stett and now xi
but you sussed xia all game
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i didn’t just do it
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WaNObI
but you sussed xia all game
she’s conf inno now
6:14 p.m.
bruh
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what made her less sus last minute
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nothing
6:14 p.m.
i just wanted to vote with my inno reads
6:14 p.m.
i genuinely think celestia is probably inno
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aquamxrinee
it was NOT last second. it was with 3 minutes left and i legit explained it
yeah but that wasn't enough time for anyone else to figure things out or to question ur reasoning. mind explaining it more depth now?
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i just did….
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like wanted to vote with innos is weird if steet/fresh are ur innos and stett said her plan on her switching if needed.
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i trust fresh
6:16 p.m.
and
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dog sus
6:16 p.m.
and
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he voted celestia
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celestia is sus 💀
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fresh stet xia and celes and you is your claim , so your mafia team is me dogo ernie
6:16 p.m.
wow you solved the game xD
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my vote was a valid vote
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that is what i said….
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you had idk 5 hours to question the validity of my vote
6:17 p.m.
and now i am sus for it?
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i also had class the whole day
6:17 p.m.
💀
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aquamxrinee
he voted celestia
then why stay tell last minute
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WaNObI
then why stay tell last minute
what’s stay tell
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why were u on celestia for so long if you always thought it was a bad vote?
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because it was a really good info vote
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aquamxrinee
what’s stay tell
you voted celes tell eod and switched 5 minutes before
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is xiay a good info vote?
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we had 2 hours and you where around when fresh voted ?
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wut do we get from this?
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DoggoLost
is xiay a good info vote?
not nearly as good
6:18 p.m.
confirmed inno
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hunt scum, not town
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DoggoLost
wut do we get from this?
i honestly didnt expect this to happen at all
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if you know town it’s easier to get scum
6:19 p.m.
i don’t think tunneling is the answer here
6:19 p.m.
but if you want to vote me i won’t stop you
6:19 p.m.
there seems to be a universal sus consensus
6:19 p.m.
take that as you will
6:20 p.m.
i rly gtg now tho
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aquamxrinee
but if you want to vote me i won’t stop you
i literally was the first one to ask us to not hammer quickly and i have not voted yet
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being on my phone at dinner is not a good look
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ima cool down too
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DoggoLost
i literally was the first one to ask us to not hammer quickly and i have not voted yet
pressure =/= intention to stay
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but this feels really icky
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i agree, im in a convo with 2 scums
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aquamxrinee
i agree, im in a convo with 2 scums
ah so "dinner" means taking a break to talk in ur scumchat
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do u need proof or smth
6:22 p.m.
like
6:22 p.m.
idk what u want me to do
6:23 p.m.
i make my best reads when im sus so im gonna cook today
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well this feels like a lot to read back on
7:21 p.m.
i dont like that celestia dipped after surviving vote while people were focused on aqua :wowee:
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@FreshSpice @DoggoLost @WaNObI @Celestia @Xiafather @aquamxrinee @Ernie
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Stett
@FreshSpice @DoggoLost @WaNObI @Celestia @Xiafather @aquamxrinee @Ernie
If i am right about my theory i have to agree nothing to change your mind about
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at least one of those is wrong
7:38 p.m.
on my choir break rn
7:38 p.m.
would anyone be willing to help me out
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sure
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and do a homework assignment
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what subject
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ok lemme explain
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explain
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Everyone who could be scum: Dr Fresh DoggoLost WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee Everyone should ostensibly have themselves + xia not in this group so just sub my name in for yours
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okay….
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so into google sheets, and make a list of all possible worlds. then grey out the ones you think can't be possible
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you forgot ernie
7:43 p.m.
i killed him in my brain i fear 😔
7:44 p.m.
ok just a min remaking :wowee:
7:46 p.m.
7:46 p.m.
ok it should look like this but with my name instead of yours
7:47 p.m.
then go through and grey out the worlds you think aren't possible off associations
7:47 p.m.
(im working on that part rn)
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Stett
@FreshSpice @DoggoLost @WaNObI @Celestia @Xiafather @aquamxrinee @Ernie
But also think about it would u be calling aqua slipping on propose to town them selves cringe from the mafia team with them is the only point coming to mind
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i have absolutley no idea what you just said
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Stett
Everyone who could be scum: Dr Fresh DoggoLost WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee Everyone should ostensibly have themselves + xia not in this group so just sub my name in for yours
What about ernie ?
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Stett
i have absolutley no idea what you just said
Before in the day when fresh towned aqua cause they slipped on a comment towards having a mafia chat or sth i do t remember he said no way this happens when u are mafia or it would be really cringe
7:52 p.m.
So to me it would be both of them unpaired although i honestly see both as mafia
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WaNObI
So to me it would be both of them unpaired although i honestly see both as mafia
aight sick fill out the chat and unpair them then hmmyes
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Stett
aight sick fill out the chat and unpair them then hmmyes
Its 4 am and i have a busy day tom so give me some time and i will see what i can give you
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ok so uhm lol
7:58 p.m.
first thing for me is
7:58 p.m.
off my unpairings, ernie is a mafia in literally all worlds except doggo/wano/celestia
8:00 p.m.
celestia/aqua/ernie should probably be greyed out too
8:00 p.m.
i need to double check the security of the celestia/aqua unpairing
8:01 p.m.
celestia in only not wolf if team is fresh/aqua/ernie or doggo/wanobi/ernie
8:02 p.m.
so fmpov celestia/ernie always holds a maf
8:02 p.m.
which makes ernie voting celestia, me saying i'd switch, and aqua then abandoning ship and wanobi sealing xia's doom interesting
8:03 p.m.
but also doggo parking celestia doesnt make much sense at all
8:04 p.m.
bussing here really doesnt help maf, (see game 5)
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My mistake was not switching to aqua but we didnt have time
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maf need town dead d1, this is a setup you just lim villies in, not bus
8:05 p.m.
so doggo/wano/celestia. rlly doesnt make sense
8:05 p.m.
when means im wrong about an unpairing
8:05 p.m.
or ernie is just maf
8:06 p.m.
the latter would be... super irritating
8:07 p.m.
aqua/ernie team would make a lot of sense
8:07 p.m.
but also xia TRs ernie
8:07 p.m.
idfk
8:08 p.m.
im gonna go speedrun the genshin event chiao
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Can i ask why u towned celes at the end
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WaNObI
Can i ask why u towned celes at the end
do you mean scummed?
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Stett
do you mean scummed?
We switched from celes back to xia
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i specifically thought her last 10 min of the day wasnt towny which was why i was going to swap to her
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And u mentioned that celes here would be town
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i think its still possible wagons are v/v yeha
8:10 p.m.
that would mean team is either fresh/aqua/ernie or doggo/wanobi/ernie tho
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Which in my mind also is the case but why aqua did all that
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Tell me when u come back from the event
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WaNObI
Tell me when u come back from the event
its gonna be a bit lol. i have this window open on my desktop in the background so if you have something you wanna discuss, ill keep an eye out
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im back from choir
9:33 p.m.
i need to make a spreadsheet
9:34 p.m.
tbh i think ernie has to be scum here
9:34 p.m.
from my perspective
9:35 p.m.
@WaNObI to
9:35 p.m.
yo*
9:35 p.m.
let’s chat
9:36 p.m.
if ur town i don’t want u to think im scum
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Stett
i dont like that celestia dipped after surviving vote while people were focused on aqua :wowee:
I need to refresh my mind
9:39 p.m.
And ngl I do wanna see why Drfresh tr me when most thought I could be possibly a mafia
9:39 p.m.
Doggo, Aqua, Stett, possibly xia since she voted for me
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hello celestia
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aquamxrinee
if ur town i don’t want u to think im scum
I would love that honestly and will keep an open mind as i am town
9:40 p.m.
But its gonna be hard
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ok
9:41 p.m.
it’s so early
9:41 p.m.
i don’t think you should be too sure of any alignment
9:41 p.m.
im starting to reread fresh
9:41 p.m.
he tends to be more controlling as maf imo
9:41 p.m.
he lowkey might not be inno
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Honestly though how are we supposed to create a suspect list when almost everyone town reads everyone other than ernie, xia is confirmed inno so she's out of the suspect list.
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i feel pretty good about stett atm
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I wanna see stett Reasoning on why he thinks doggo is still clear
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i don’t trust doggo ngl
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Suspects: Ernie Doggo
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real
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If what drfresh says is true that wanobi scum slip
9:43 p.m.
Ernie/Doggo/Wanobi
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where would the wanobi scum slip be
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Ernie vote on you was kind of a tell for me if xia flipped maf but know my mind is fried
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Celestia
Ernie/Doggo/Wanobi
this is the combo i thought of earlier
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aquamxrinee
where would the wanobi scum slip be
I think it was during drfresh was making reads
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WaNObI
Ernie vote on you was kind of a tell for me if xia flipped maf but know my mind is fried
if your mind is fried why r u so hard set on executing me
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Celestia
Ernie/Doggo/Wanobi
Please iso my play and tell me if i am actually maf in your eyes cause that would be crazy
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i take it this means yall arent gonna do the homework assignment 😔
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aquamxrinee
if your mind is fried why r u so hard set on executing me
I am trying hard to just justify your whole thing at the end there
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Stett
i take it this means yall arent gonna do the homework assignment 😔
I will but not now
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I just think aqua is town due to her iffy reasons, like I genuinely made mistakes similar to that in the past and I was honest to everyone which got me killed.
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WaNObI
Please iso my play and tell me if i am actually maf in your eyes cause that would be crazy
It would be but Honestly I don't see any other suspects based on my process of elimination
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tbh wanobi i don’t see many long reads from you. mostly just saying ur susses and popping in with some ocassional commentary
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+ Drfresh reasoning
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wanobi is very questioning but doesn’t actually give his own opinions on a lot with reasoning
9:45 p.m.
he mostly is asking others questions
9:45 p.m.
which is kinda towny but too much of it is scum
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so what would you do if we hammered either doggo or wanobi rn and they flipped town celestia
9:45 p.m.
PopcornMan
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Stett
so what would you do if we hammered either doggo or wanobi rn and they flipped town celestia
Then mafia is good
9:46 p.m.
Are you implying it could be drfresh?
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Celestia
Then mafia is good
No shit 😂😂😂😂
9:46 p.m.
I am loving this
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i just isod wanobi and he looks more sus tbh
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aquamxrinee
i just isod wanobi and he looks more sus tbh
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Celestia
Are you implying it could be drfresh?
no, im trying to figure out your plan for the game rn and if it's coming from a towny mindset or not
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it’s a lot of questions with not many answers
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Stett
no, im trying to figure out your plan for the game rn and if it's coming from a towny mindset or not
I wanna see your reasoning on what makes a town "town"
9:47 p.m.
And a scum "scum"
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well their rolecard for one :wowee:
9:48 p.m.
that sounds like a philosophical question, not a game question
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Could be both
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if you think about it, xia conf inno and if you know ur inno, 5050 shot that if you vote someone they’re scum
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As much as I trust drfresh and stett I don't wanna be too much relying on them
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same here
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i want to know why you trust dr fresh and stett
9:49 p.m.
b/c if you seriously townread both of us
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you are actively contributing a lot of reads and strategy that i just don’t think a scum would play rn
9:50 p.m.
it’s never the person you most or least suspect. it’s always in the middle
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that means FYPOV you think all three maf are in doggo/wanobi/ernie each other
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yes!
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im just confused what about xia flipping town was enough of a catalyst for y'all to town each other.
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Stett
i want to know why you trust dr fresh and stett
It was mostly because you both had been taking iniatives since the beginning and solely the reason why the chat is active right now. I also stated my reasoning on why I think drfresh is town and back then I had a suspicion on you but then I realized that you were only trying to pressure me. Also the argument that started sound genuine
9:51 p.m.
So like drfresh and Stett aren't paired
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i towned celestia towards the end, i also towned xia
9:52 p.m.
it seemed like a 2 inno split
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It was
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i just dont understand this progression lol
9:52 p.m.
i wanted to vote ernie all day
9:52 p.m.
everyone said "fuck u stett voting ernie gives us no info"
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voting ernie would’ve given us no info that’s the issue
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aquamxrinee
voting ernie would’ve given us no info that’s the issue
He does nothing all day
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and now everyone is like "ok ernie HAS to be scum now gg"
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aquamxrinee
i towned celestia towards the end, i also towned xia
Really cause according to you u didnt townread her though ?
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and what info did voting xia give us?
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WaNObI
Really cause according to you u didnt townread her though ?
the end i did and after i def did
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Stett
and what info did voting xia give us?
more info than ernie. fresh hard sussed her
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I think it was logical to vote for ernie but I think xia can give us more Info due to being clear
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ye
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aquamxrinee
the end i did and after i def did
U changed cause u didnt want to vote with scum but when asked u sayed still u didnt town celes
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i towned her less than xia
9:53 p.m.
that’s true
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aquamxrinee
more info than ernie. fresh hard sussed her
ok? tell me what info we got from xia flipping town then. and what info on fresh
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if ernie is inno and we missexc him d1, we would be so fucked
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Stett
ok? tell me what info we got from xia flipping town then. and what info on fresh
well, it points more sus on to fresh which tbh, it’s about time
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To be honest nobody has been defending me ever since I've been suspected, well I could think of drfresh and stett but stett eventually changed his mind before
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and if ernie is inno and we missexc him d2 we are also still fucked
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Stett
and if ernie is inno and we missexc him d2 we are also still fucked
true
9:55 p.m.
mafia team is playing well enough that fresh could be scum here
9:55 p.m.
easily
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I feel if we had just pushed the ernje wagon we could've gotten ir
9:55 p.m.
It
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But omg doggo and aqua were the reason the votes were split
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Celestia
But omg doggo and aqua were the reason the votes were split
why do you say that?
9:56 p.m.
doggo stayed on the same wagon all eod
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Stett
why do you say that?
Of course we voted for ernie to try and pressure them
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idk if wanobi is just really sus town or scum
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aquamxrinee
idk if wanobi is just really sus town or scum
I am light bulb
9:56 p.m.
👍🏻
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Celestia
Of course we voted for ernie to try and pressure them
he didn’t care that we even voted him💀
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But in my perspective doggo voting me was just an odd way to show that "oh you suspected me then I'll suspect you"
9:57 p.m.
The same thing I did to aqua
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it was weird when doggo did it
9:57 p.m.
but im biased
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The thing is though
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Day 1 Votecount 4 doggodumbs: 1 - drfresh.1 kotruce: 4 - stett , aquamxrinee , .celestia_ludenberg. , wanobi.eth Abstaining: 3 - kotruce , xiaysa , doggodumbs
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following my sus logic, i think doggo is the most likely maf her
9:58 p.m.
here
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Day 1 Votecount 4 doggodumbs: 1 - drfresh.1 kotruce: 3 - stett , .celestia_ludenberg. , wanobi.eth .celestia_ludenberg.: 2 - doggodumbs , aquamxrinee Abstaining: 2 - kotruce , xiaysa
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fresh never followed through i think doggo/fresh is a possible pair
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I feel like scum doesn't suspect a person first, only when there's enough messages.
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Day 1 Votecount 4 doggodumbs: 1 - drfresh.1 kotruce: 4 - stett , aquamxrinee , .celestia_ludenberg. , wanobi.eth Abstaining: 3 - kotruce , xiaysa , doggodumbs
well im town and xia is town, so unless team is doggo/fresh/kotruce a maf voted ernie at some point
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Did doggo and wanobi had a suspicion in the beginning?
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aquamxrinee
fresh never followed through i think doggo/fresh is a possible pair
? explain please? i have them destinctly unpaired
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fresh could be scum distancing from doggo as his scum partner
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fresh shaded and poked doggo a LOT and seemed confused and annoyed i was TRing doggo
10:00 p.m.
i dont think they're paired.
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Well I do get that
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fair
10:01 p.m.
i wouldn’t count it out
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Celestia
Did doggo and wanobi had a suspicion in the beginning?
Anyone?
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@WaNObI gimme a vibe check on last 20 messages in here please lol
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Most scums tend to play it safe in the beginning
10:02 p.m.
Wanobi as much as I tr them earlier
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im making my spreadsheet rn
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He is so certain that I was really busy which of course I am but I feel like he's only doing trying to defend me to excuse that he was also busy?
10:02 p.m.
I think I'm stretching
10:02 p.m.
But eh
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Stett
Hmmge
Didn't doggo, me and Wanobi claimed to have been busy correct?
10:03 p.m.
Xia is out
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i feel like everyone's claimed to be busy at some point lol
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I just wanna see if anyone been you know reading the chat but isn't actually replying
10:04 p.m.
I could see doggo being that
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Stett
@WaNObI gimme a vibe check on last 20 messages in here please lol
The vibe check constitutes anyone can be scum other than aqua from her pov the amount of scum flips is insane , plus i love how aqua and celes suddenly town each other 👌🏻
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Celestia
Anyone?
I scum read dogo for most of yesterday ?
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WaNObI
The vibe check constitutes anyone can be scum other than aqua from her pov the amount of scum flips is insane , plus i love how aqua and celes suddenly town each other 👌🏻
im specifically asking if from another persons pov it looks like celestia and aqua are w/w
10:05 p.m.
b/c
10:05 p.m.
i kinda felt like
10:05 p.m.
i was stuck in the middle of two wolves lol
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Stett
i was stuck in the middle of two wolves lol
Same honestly
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So the beef I had with her yesterday wasn't real?
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like i might be paranoid or tripping but it feels like they got so coordinated out of nowhere 5upCry
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Celestia
Didn't doggo, me and Wanobi claimed to have been busy correct?
In my case it was game started when i was asleep but i was active most of day one so i dont know if u count that
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Celestia
So the beef I had with her yesterday wasn't real?
that's what im trying to eval rn ngl
10:07 p.m.
b/c i did unpair you from i
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Stett
like i might be paranoid or tripping but it feels like they got so coordinated out of nowhere 5upCry
Nah u aint seeing stuffp
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and im double checking my bases to see if it was legit unpairing
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I wanna say that it's faulty logic due, didn't wanobi also suspected stett and fresh coordinated their argument? (Which I highly doubt)
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did he say that?
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Celestia
So the beef I had with her yesterday wasn't real?
My issue is now it feels like between u too it never happened
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Stett
did he say that?
He did
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Celestia
I wanna say that it's faulty logic due, didn't wanobi also suspected stett and fresh coordinated their argument? (Which I highly doubt)
Wait what ?
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Unless I'm mistaken
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Celestia
He did
link me please?
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No i said i dont see them both flipping wolf but maybe one ?
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Celestia
Unless I'm mistaken
Your mistaken
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if he actually said me/fresh could be performing, then that's agendad as f lol cause aintnoway
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WaNObI
So stett honestly kinda to me i love how we have two solving minds i hope you and freshs interaction aint a maf lets bus each other move to be unpaired kind of thing , i love how inquisitive and kind of a voice of pushy reason in a way you are which is something we need , to me you are a slight town lean for now
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WaNObI
So stett honestly kinda to me i love how we have two solving minds i hope you and freshs interaction aint a maf lets bus each other move to be unpaired kind of thing , i love how inquisitive and kind of a voice of pushy reason in a way you are which is something we need , to me you are a slight town lean for now
sus
10:10 p.m.
yeah that doesnt feel like a real thought at all
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This is me saying its a performance ???? I am saying i hope it aint cause i cant see it
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But you're basically implying it though
10:11 p.m.
Like you're actively giving us ideas
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Not really i would have said it cant be possible or i would have said we have a possible w w in them but i denied in all cases
10:11 p.m.
It wouldnt make sense with everything else i said so dont imply shit i didnt say please
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Celestia
Like you're actively giving us ideas
Thats what everyone else been doing all of yesterday as well , fuck your whole sus on me is based on fresh giving ideas , doesnt mean i am maf and any of the shit he said is true
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WaNObI
Not really i would have said it cant be possible or i would have said we have a possible w w in them but i denied in all cases
Yeah but me and aqua situation was practically the same thing? So what made you agreed with stett?
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No not really you and aqua where at each others throat, and she was on you tell the end , also i did have you as one of you is mafia and you stopped me and was like really interesting , at the end of the night out of the blue aqua removes from you and follows your vote cause i dont wana vote with scum
10:14 p.m.
And you become best buds the next day
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And thats after you both despaired for a couple of hours
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Like bruh
10:14 p.m.
I dont know where you made up but that wasnt here 😂😂😂😂
10:14 p.m.
Maybe in maf chat
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WaNObI
And you become best buds the next day
Stett and Fresh did the same thing but far more early
10:15 p.m.
Not in a way best buds
10:15 p.m.
But you know tr each other
10:15 p.m.
Honestly though it's kinda a bias view
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WaNObI
Maybe in maf chat
This feels agendad
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Celestia
Stett and Fresh did the same thing but far more early
Stett and fresh where probing into each others minds more than sussing each other they where trying to understand how both play and that why i ahve them as both are town ot at least one
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red are pairings i’ve ruled out
10:16 p.m.
Fresh and Stett are not w/w
10:16 p.m.
Stett/doggo not w/w
10:16 p.m.
celestia doggo not w/w
10:16 p.m.
are the main ones
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But aqua comes here with the u never gave us reasoning while they them selves didnt even touch on reason and you putting words into my mouth so i love that a clap on the back for effort though cause you both had a good chat in maf chat ngl
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Stett ernie not ww
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Celestia
Stett and Fresh did the same thing but far more early
i mean id say its p diff but also im biased lol: fmpov frsh is like: pushing me for nonsensical reasons that only lead to fighting and me getting annoyed so i said "i tr you ig leave me alone and let me solve". but we kinda went: tr sod, he scumread me, i said he might have agenda, i tr him lightly, that's it. so not rlllllllly comparable lol
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wanobi has mad agenda
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WaNObI
Stett and fresh where probing into each others minds more than sussing each other they where trying to understand how both play and that why i ahve them as both are town ot at least one
Yeah? But my beef with aqua was solely because she voted for me, like it literally doesn't make sense that we would plan our argument I don't even know her playstyle
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he’s totally fake paranoia rn
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Stett
i mean id say its p diff but also im biased lol: fmpov frsh is like: pushing me for nonsensical reasons that only lead to fighting and me getting annoyed so i said "i tr you ig leave me alone and let me solve". but we kinda went: tr sod, he scumread me, i said he might have agenda, i tr him lightly, that's it. so not rlllllllly comparable lol
Not in a way that it's almost
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Celestia
Yeah? But my beef with aqua was solely because she voted for me, like it literally doesn't make sense that we would plan our argument I don't even know her playstyle
I didnt mention u planing your argument i am saying u came here after eod planning how to get out of the mess u guys created and now you buddies , i dont give a shit about what got u guys to fight yesterday honestly sadcatthumbsup
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what do we think of fresh ernie doggo
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aquamxrinee
he’s totally fake paranoia rn
What paranoia ?
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aquamxrinee
red are pairings i’ve ruled out
if im interpretting this right: it looks like IYO fresh/stett not w/w, and doggo/celestia not w/w ?
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i don’t know. i town read wanobi at first but now he’s like
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WaNObI
What paranoia ?
you keep insisting me and celestia on this w/w pairing. i know im not maf so if she isn’t either you’re actually nuts
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WaNObI
I didnt mention u planing your argument i am saying u came here after eod planning how to get out of the mess u guys created and now you buddies , i dont give a shit about what got u guys to fight yesterday honestly sadcatthumbsup
But you were implying it though? You clearly agreed on stett w/w of me and aqua, so you didn't though about our argument and never unpaired us in the beginning?
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Stett
if im interpretting this right: it looks like IYO fresh/stett not w/w, and doggo/celestia not w/w ?
yes
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oh and stett/ernie not w/w
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All I'm saying is it doesn't make sense to suspect aqua and me to be w/w
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the only way stett is maf here is if she’s with wanobi and i highly doubt that pairing
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Celestia
But you were implying it though? You clearly agreed on stett w/w of me and aqua, so you didn't though about our argument and never unpaired us in the beginning?
I agree on you both being mafia cause what you are giving me now is crazy
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what's your reasoning on this one?
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WaNObI
I agree on you both being mafia cause what you are giving me now is crazy
?
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Stett
what's your reasoning on this one?
you and doggo not ww
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And your tonality sense this day started and approach is alligned in a crazy agented way
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Agended*
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WaNObI
And your tonality sense this day started and approach is alligned in a crazy agented way
am i acting targeting?
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WaNObI
And your tonality sense this day started and approach is alligned in a crazy agented way
Because I had a fresher mind?
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i mean we arent but
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Stett
why lol
i don’t see it as a ww interaction
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i've been like the only person townreading him
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yeah i don’t think it’s a ww interaction
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Celestia
All I'm saying is it doesn't make sense to suspect aqua and me to be w/w
With xia out and how yesterday played out at the end it totally does to me
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wv or vv
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I literally said the reason why I left because I need a fresher mind lol
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i mean you're correct so fair enough shrugg
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WaNObI
With xia out and how yesterday played out at the end it totally does to me
you never answered me
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WaNObI
With xia out and how yesterday played out at the end it totally does to me
Reason?
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am i specifically, not the pairing, coming off as agendad to you
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Like can you clarify more
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like even if you think im scum i can’t see that pairing
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Celestia
I literally said the reason why I left because I need a fresher mind lol
And u gained it with aqua in magia chat no worries
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you’re being wayyyyy to closed off here
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Celestia
Reason?
If u dint see it i dont need to explain it
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you’ve already made up your mind
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WaNObI
And u gained it with aqua in magia chat no worries
What specifically makes you think we chatted?
10:23 p.m.
Do you have a timing occurrence?
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i think he’s scum and just causing waves, he refuses to listen to us
10:24 p.m.
that’s just not towny
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aquamxrinee
am i specifically, not the pairing, coming off as agendad to you
Both of you came back here with the same agenda if you aint a team its gonna be crazy to me honestly
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aquamxrinee
red are pairings i’ve ruled out
so our worlds in common: fresh/ernie/celestia, doggo/ernie/wanobi, ernie/wanobi/celestia
10:24 p.m.
ngl
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we are a team…a village team
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We're not a mafia team and it clearly shows in the beginning
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Stett
so our worlds in common: fresh/ernie/celestia, doggo/ernie/wanobi, ernie/wanobi/celestia
doggo ernie wanobi is my highest sus
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the only one of those that actually feels plausible is doggo/ernie/wanobi
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Wanobi is straight up just lashing on is
10:24 p.m.
Us*
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Stett
the only one of those that actually feels plausible is doggo/ernie/wanobi
yes bro
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Celestia
Do you have a timing occurrence?
Yeah both of you left around the same time and popped back in here around the same time
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so our worlds in common: fresh/ernie/celestia, doggo/ernie/wanobi, ernie/wanobi/celestia
Ernie/Wanobi/Celestia doesn't make sense now lol
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dude i literally said i had dinner and choir from 7-9:30
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ernie voting celestia when i said i would vote celestia if he tied it doesnt make any sense with an afk partner like fresh
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this happened monday too
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aquamxrinee
that’s just not towny
Coming from a maf for sure always wont be towny to you
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wanobi icl if ur inno u r the worst inno here
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Stett
so our worlds in common: fresh/ernie/celestia, doggo/ernie/wanobi, ernie/wanobi/celestia
Me being on the same team with celistia stett come on please
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you’re paranoid, but not in a town way because you won’t even hear us out
10:26 p.m.
you’re so sure
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and if wanobi is partnered and voting on xia, ernie really doesnt need to risk tilting the scales onto celestia, b/c i projected i would switch, and he has no way to know you (meaning aqua) would swap in a w/w ernie celestia world
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I wanna say that I am not paired with wanobi nor aqua solely because of the arguments we made
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aquamxrinee
wanobi icl if ur inno u r the worst inno here
Thanks i would take that as a complement , and i am ino
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WaNObI
Yeah both of you left around the same time and popped back in here around the same time
That's only 1 evidence
10:27 p.m.
And it isn't sufficient
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hardly even evidence
10:27 p.m.
it was dinner time est
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It's literally just a coincidence
10:27 p.m.
My time is gmt+8
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and monday i had choir 7-9:30 also
10:27 p.m.
do you want my google calendar or smth?
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Celestia
That's only 1 evidence
What would be sufficient hacking abilities ?
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dawg what
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Bruh like u asked me what timing did u notice thats the timing i noticed
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@Stett do you see what he is talking about
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WaNObI
What would be sufficient hacking abilities ?
? Well you could investigate every timing, when we talked and everything but you wouldn't do that
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I am so tilted right now that if you both are town i am going to blow this game
10:28 p.m.
And i am genuinly seeing u both as wolfs
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well i know im town!
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So i am going to step away
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you probably should cuz if ur inno u lowkey throwing rn
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WaNObI
And i am genuinly seeing u both as wolfs
It's literally illogical for us
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you won’t even listen to us
10:29 p.m.
like you won’t even hear us out
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But if we're both wolves then we're making ourselves obvious
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any reasoning we give to you is always somehow false
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Most scum tends to hide
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Celestia
But if we're both wolves then we're making ourselves obvious
It happened doesnt mean your making your selves and your trying to dig your selves out is how i see it
10:29 p.m.
At least i am sure about aqua being wolf 100%
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ya i suck but not enough to be this obv
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WaNObI
At least i am sure about aqua being wolf 100%
dude…..
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aquamxrinee
like you won’t even hear us out
I did leave my mind open , but then u started throwing sus all over the place and stating reason that is even hypocritical to your case
10:30 p.m.
You played this whole game based on vibes
10:30 p.m.
Didnt see any reasoning from you
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dawg
10:30 p.m.
iso my posts
10:31 p.m.
if you dont see reasoning ur either blind or just scum
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But then come to me and tell me i didnt do analysis at all and gave bulshit explanations and thats why i am sus after asking me to leave my mind open about you
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atp im not even gonna argue
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So fuck that 👍🏻
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Celestia
Most scum tends to hide
You hid really well for most of day one
10:31 p.m.
And aqua was away for most of the end yesterday
10:32 p.m.
But then fucked up at the end
10:32 p.m.
I dont know
10:32 p.m.
Could be an honest town mistake
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like
10:32 p.m.
you only ask questions, you go from being confused to instantly thinking me and celestia have to be ww
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But the more i think about it
10:32 p.m.
The more i am like i would never see it as a town move to switch there no way jn hell
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all you do is project
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And they didnt even sus xia
10:32 p.m.
It was more of i like fresh i wana folow him
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WaNObI
And they didnt even sus xia
i did…
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this fight has confused me lol....
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Who plays town like that 👍🏻
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aquamxrinee
you only ask questions, you go from being confused to instantly thinking me and celestia have to be ww
Thats today is that your iso of my analysis of the whole game what ??
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WaNObI
Who plays town like that 👍🏻
me, how long have u played maf for
10:33 p.m.
doesn’t seem like much
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WaNObI
Thats today is that your iso of my analysis of the whole game what ??
did i say i was going to analyze the whole game?
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Stett
this fight has confused me lol....
interesting how most these worlds include ernie or fresh
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aquamxrinee
me, how long have u played maf for
At least 3 years
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i mean its mostly cause i just knocked off all the worlds of wanobi/aqua or wanobi/celestia lol
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Well you can say I could be paired with fresh but not with doggo or aqua
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WaNObI
At least 3 years
really doesn’t seem like it ngl
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aquamxrinee
did i say i was going to analyze the whole game?
Well at least i had the pleasure of going over the whole game yesterday and i explained how i viewed the game i had u towned tell eod
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aquamxrinee
really doesn’t seem like it ngl
All goid
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Using this list could be Drfresh Ernie Wanobi
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Drfresh was hard heavy on doggo
10:36 p.m.
Ernie was something drfresh didn't really pressured
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if you think stetts reads are right, the only maf teams with me and cel would be me cel fresh
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i towned dogo at the end yesterday based on effort into the game honestly cause dude i feel went back and read everything and was actually trying to analyse
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Wanobi didn't really voted for ernie
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he didn’t
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And hadn't thought of drfresh
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wanobi fresh ernie is a possible team
10:37 p.m.
it’s on my list
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fresh pushed wanobi tho....
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Stett
fresh pushed wanobi tho....
In the beginning?
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Celestia
In the beginning?
no?
10:38 p.m.
literally like
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ok stett conf inno in my eyes because i ruled out the celestia wanobi pairing which would remove stett from my list
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during eod?
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Celestia
Wanobi didn't really voted for ernie
Are we know in an imaginary world i was last to switch from ernie
10:38 p.m.
What game are u reading ?
10:38 p.m.
Now*
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i want to pressure fresh @Stett
10:38 p.m.
updated my list
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WaNObI
Are we know in an imaginary world i was last to switch from ernie
No I just didn't see your vote
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to remove wanobi celestia païen g
10:38 p.m.
paring
10:39 p.m.
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Me, Aqua, and Stett were the first ones to vote for ernie
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fresh ernie wanobi could be the maf team
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hmmm
10:40 p.m.
but he never really pushed the wanobi world
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FreshSpice
i feel like he was a bit too early and too uninformed about the content within the game, idk this could be pocketing This might not be AI, but u caught up a lot in terms of content for only showing up in the second half of the game here @wanobi.eth i can’t help but wonder how u said u found town reading people early odd, and not long after u managed to get a town read on both me and aqua here i feel like this could’ve been with the intention to pocket both consensus town at the time Now this for example, doggo was consensus scum here and u read him scum, it’s kinda like adapting to status quo and slipping under the radar by having the same reads as everyone, but this is partially WIFOM’y of me to say the one thing i can follow with right now is u also reading xia scum for the same reason u read doggo scum (being scared to fuck up) @wanobi.eth you have played with celestia, and should be able to make some sort of meta read i’m wondering why you haven’t done that, and if you could at all give me a thought on how you feel about her game as of now in comparison to ex9
^
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Me and ernie never too ww
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wanobi can u make a chart
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FreshSpice
idk if this is a good thing or not cause in a way u are being consistent on wanting to be pushing towards those that try less but then again at some point it felt like u weren’t pushing ernie because u said he was prob town and then u voted him later on, which probably explains why u we’re being contradictory asf
^
10:40 p.m.
he basically saw i voted wanobi and then went back and wrote a big case and jumped on the vote
10:40 p.m.
that doesnt really feel w/w
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Oh right so it may not be with drfresh,ernie and wanobi
10:40 p.m.
That's very hard heavy
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yeah
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I could think of doggo, ernie, and wanobi
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i think ernie wanobi ww
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Wanobi tr doggo, and he voted ernie because of majority
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aquamxrinee
i think ernie wanobi ww
………………
10:41 p.m.
what if we hammered ernie
10:41 p.m.
to see what happens
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Celestia
Wanobi tr doggo, and he voted ernie because of majority
Not really i gave my reasoning on sussing both
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Stett
what if we hammered ernie
Best chocie
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(this is mostly a joke)
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Stett
to see what happens
I wish we did
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Stett
(this is mostly a joke)
I know
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i mean if we hammer him and we’re wrong maf deserves the win anyway
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I really hate reads
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whoever wins deserves the win
10:42 p.m.
if we hang two maf
10:42 p.m.
and come back from a d1 miselim
10:42 p.m.
we deserve the win
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@WaNObI can u please make a chart like me and stett did
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@Celestia u too
10:43 p.m.
u being willing to make a list will help me tr u
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aquamxrinee
@Celestia u too
Google Docs right?
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Celestia
Google Docs right?
i used google sheets
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yeah google sheets is free and easiest way to
10:43 p.m.
if you have excel that works too obvi
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Alright but I just can't wrap around my head with these things
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you should have 20 total teams listed if u type it up right
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Of course everyone has an excuse
10:44 p.m.
But we need to know if it's consistent
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Stett
you should have 20 total teams listed if u type it up right
have you played with celestia
10:44 p.m.
do you think she would bus ernie as ww here
10:44 p.m.
because if not than she’s cleared my list too
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Dr Fresh DoggoLost WaNObi Dr Fresh DoggoLost Stett Dr Fresh DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh DoggoLost Ernie Dr Fresh WaNObi Stett Dr Fresh WaNObi Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh WaNObi Ernie Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost WaNObi Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Stett Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost WaNObi Stett DoggoLost WaNObi Ernie DoggoLost Stett Ernie WaNObi Stett Aquamxrinee WaNObi Aquamxrinee Ernie WaNObi Stett Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie
10:45 p.m.
just copy paste that and fill it out with your unpairings @Celestia
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that looks like a mess
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aquamxrinee
have you played with celestia
i havent played with any of yall
10:46 p.m.
@Celestia who’ve u played w here
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i jury'd a game fresh played on MU, but that's the only time i've seen anyone here play
10:48 p.m.
Dr Fresh DoggoLost Stett Dr Fresh DoggoLost Celestia Dr Fresh DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh DoggoLost Ernie Dr Fresh Stett Celestia Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh Celestia Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Celestia Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost Stett Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Celestia Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost Stett Celestia DoggoLost Stett Ernie DoggoLost Celestia Ernie Stett Celestia Aquamxrinee Stett Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett Celestia Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie @WaNObI :3 ur unpairings pls?
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Stett
Dr Fresh DoggoLost Stett Dr Fresh DoggoLost Celestia Dr Fresh DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh DoggoLost Ernie Dr Fresh Stett Celestia Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh Celestia Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Celestia Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost Stett Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Celestia Aquamxrinee DoggoLost Aquamxrinee Ernie DoggoLost Stett Celestia DoggoLost Stett Ernie DoggoLost Celestia Ernie Stett Celestia Aquamxrinee Stett Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett Celestia Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie @WaNObI :3 ur unpairings pls?
Working on creating a cheat
10:49 p.m.
are these all the option from my pov if so i love you
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aquamxrinee
@Celestia who’ve u played w here
None
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darn
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WaNObI
are these all the option from my pov if so i love you
cringe
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aquamxrinee
cringe
sadcatthumbsup
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love is so cringe
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Well if anyone gonna meta read le
10:50 p.m.
Me
10:51 p.m.
Compare my 57 to 9/81 and this
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i just want to know if u would bus ernie as ww rn
10:51 p.m.
because if not then u clear my pairings
10:51 p.m.
which narrows it down to fresh ernie doggo and wanobi being 3 maf 1 vil
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aquamxrinee
i just want to know if u would bus ernie as ww rn
I wouldn't tbh
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ofc u will say that
10:51 p.m.
but
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let’s say u wouldn’t
10:52 p.m.
i’ve just found 4 people 3 of which are scum
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If I actually bus him out as scum
10:52 p.m.
It'll make me less suspicious but there's also a downsidw
10:52 p.m.
Downside
10:52 p.m.
Eventually they would figure it out
10:53 p.m.
Besides that ernie is the easiest to be lynch and scums can easily follow the wagon
10:53 p.m.
In order to be less suspicious
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yeah that’s why i figured its possible u bussed him
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But it's kinda odd how nobody tried to pushed the wagon I mean technically we kinda did. Me Aqua Stett Wanobi Voted for ernie
10:54 p.m.
Doggo stayed on me
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But I wanna say that scums
10:54 p.m.
Tends to be in the middle ground of voting
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xi is inno so a scum has to have voted that
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Like wanobi voted late
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because FMPOV im inno
10:55 p.m.
meaning a scum had to vote that since xi inno
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Ever since ernie said that he isnt town we automatically voted for him
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sooooo
10:56 p.m.
i think wanobi is scum here
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aquamxrinee
meaning a scum had to vote that since xi inno
Well it has to be wanobi
10:56 p.m.
I feel like two mafias voted for xia?
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Celestia
Well it has to be wanobi
Considering how he lashed out and almost like the scum is leaking so had to be defensive harshly
10:57 p.m.
The use of verbal language will throw us off duh
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well stett cleared my pairings and you have almost
10:57 p.m.
so statistically speaking it’s almost def wanobi
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The thing is I almost suspected everyone in the beginning except for drfresh
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the actual percentage FMPOV is 75%
10:58 p.m.
of wanobi being maf
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As you can see in my read list most if not including stett also was 50/50
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how is me dog cel unlikely
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Celestia
Like wanobi voted late
i saw him say that late
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can you give ur reasoning for everything esp why stett isn’t on that list
11:05 p.m.
u should have 20 pairings
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aquamxrinee
how is me dog cel unlikely
cause i dont see cel and dog paired
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that’s interesting
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aquamxrinee
can you give ur reasoning for everything esp why stett isn’t on that list
cause to me stett now is confident town honestly , if i want to also look into stett i am going to go crazy so i gave my head some space
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aquamxrinee
that’s interesting
thats common sense
11:07 p.m.
they have been against each other tell eod yesterday ?
11:07 p.m.
and he refused to change vote
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i mean could be bussing
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i want to go and ask him when he back in more into his reasoning
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but yeah i don’t have them paired either
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aquamxrinee
i mean could be bussing
that can be the case but slim chance
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consensus is ernie 💀
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aquamxrinee
consensus is ernie 💀
bulbasip
11:13 p.m.
Draft
11:13 p.m.
I need more info so I can poe this
11:14 p.m.
(This is based on arguments)
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why were u on ur own list 💀
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aquamxrinee
why were u on ur own list 💀
Cause why not
11:16 p.m.
Anyways I'll be scrolling and back reading if these guys have any evidences of being related
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i’m going to he’d
11:20 p.m.
bed
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Celestia
Click to see attachment 🖼️
im assuming last line is supposed to be stett aqua ernie lol
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nah she don’t know her own alignment
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Celestia
Click to see attachment 🖼️
fresh/wanobi/ernie, fresh/doggo/ernie, and fresh/doggo/aqua unnpaired FYPOV ?
11:23 p.m.
*why are
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Stett
fresh/wanobi/ernie, fresh/doggo/ernie, and fresh/doggo/aqua unnpaired FYPOV ?
Yes
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supposed to be asking why
11:23 p.m.
:wowee:
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Stett
supposed to be asking why
Fresh being hard heavy on wanobi
11:24 p.m.
Like why spend time analyzing your scum partner
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Also fresh was also the reason doggo was suspected so
11:24 p.m.
Like
11:26 p.m.
11:27 p.m.
so the only pairing celestia and aqua have in common in Doggo/Wanobi/Ernie
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aquamxrinee
nah she don’t know her own alignment
bork
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the pairing celestia and stett have in common are fresh/aqua/ernie, doggo/aqua/ernie, doggo/wanobi/ernie
11:29 p.m.
what happened to your other 10 pairings? @WaNObI
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Stett
what happened to your other 10 pairings? @WaNObI
i removed anything your in cause i see you as town
11:29 p.m.
and thats semented
11:30 p.m.
cause i want to give my self some head space
11:30 p.m.
and also your unpaired with fresh for me
11:30 p.m.
so you and xia in the same position for me now honestly
11:30 p.m.
gives me better ods to think
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if you honestly flip mafia like bravo , you can say i estableshed a home in you pocket ngl
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xia, stett: [wanobi, ernie, doggo, fresh, aqua, celestia]. 3 mafia within the brackets. only way one wasnt active in this convo was if team is exactly doggo/fresh/ernie, which ic plausible ig but seems unlikely
11:34 p.m.
so now its like
11:34 p.m.
figuring out if its that one exact world
11:34 p.m.
or figuring out who the wolf/wolves were this past hour
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i want to see how xia would look at things when she wakes up honestly
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same tbh
11:35 p.m.
cause ik she TRs ernie
11:35 p.m.
hopefully she's willing to WIM out on ic status
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it seamed like only people that where against ernie where her and fresh
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Stett
the pairing celestia and stett have in common are fresh/aqua/ernie, doggo/aqua/ernie, doggo/wanobi/ernie
the only pairs aqua and stett have in common are fresh/doggo/ernie and doggo/ernie/wanobi
11:40 p.m.
the only pairs celestia and wanobi have in common are fresh/aqua/ernie and doggo/aqua/ernie
11:41 p.m.
the only pairs wanobi and aqua have in common are fresh/doggo/ernie and fresh/celestia/ernie
11:42 p.m.
lmao if ernie is town this game is stupid
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curious what xia and fresh come back w/ tbh
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Stett
curious what xia and fresh come back w/ tbh
Its gonna be interesting honestly
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so everyone asleep i assume intersting
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Stett
@FreshSpice which celestia post made yoh TR her?
This is where my head is at on celestia, and despite me saying she was town leaning, i do think she is more nullish to me. she was one of those slots that was just more town then almost every other slot https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303851096908894312
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WaNObI
so everyone asleep i assume intersting
i’m awake
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Stett
@FreshSpice why have you been so quiet and lurky
why is the first thing u think is me lurking, i fell asleep lol. my sleep schedule basically was 4 hours before EOD before this game started, i said when this game started that i had to kinda take a long nap just to be able to show up for start of day 1, this is NAI for me, and even then looking at the way votes have moved id have probably stuck on xia regardless(or maybe tried to push for a wagon back on wanobi) https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303853562354208809
5:19 a.m.
also, @Xiafather i’m sorry ill make up to you, just trust me
5:20 a.m.
ok there is a lot let me just go eat first before i look at everything that happened
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ok let me start from where i stopped at
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WaNObI
no worries we can talk about it later when you feel better n
icl i still don’t understand what u said even whilst being awake
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Stett
Wow.
lol 💀
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Ernie
You can win nitro if you get first right?
💀💀 ok why did this make me laugh, this dude is not real, imagine if dot was in this lobby now…
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FreshSpice
💀💀 ok why did this make me laugh, this dude is not real, imagine if dot was in this lobby now…
What about dot
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i’m sorry but i can’t really follow with the intention behind this it’s kinda odd, are you like trying to get all votes on to xia, because u scum read her? or because u town read celestia? i’m trying to isolate ur messages and all ive seen was this which was kind of a escape on making a read on celestia, and i’m kinda looking at the way the game is looking D2 and u seem to be going against celestia and aqua but somehow ur sure at least aqua is mafia here 💀 but not celestia? LOL celestia and wanobi are w/w, the game state at EOD proves that the vote has to be v/m, only way to explain everyone being active at EOD and trying to throw their opinions across, in a sense of paranoia… if it was v/v game would look so different, there is 100% an agenda at EOD, wanobi and celestia agenda is the one i’m picking up on right now, and them both being the ones to jump on ernie aswell also make sense. i just don’t follow with the attack on wanobi only coming after D2 by 2 players who basically did not vote wanobi at any point during D1 or didn’t seem to sus him as much as me and stett did. also celestia saying that she doesn’t think she is paired with wanobi because they argued is like… cool in that case everyone is unpaired with everyone purely on the fact that everyone pushed everyone, like assuming that a game is as linear as (mafia town each other which means that is the group is just so wrong) and i’m slowly starting to pick up on certain things that i was originally not picking up on
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Stett
Everyone who could be scum: Dr Fresh DoggoLost WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee Everyone should ostensibly have themselves + xia not in this group so just sub my name in for yours
also the moment that stett is the one to bring up pairing as a strat for figuring out the game, is the moment that she is a possible pair for pretty much everyone, cause in a world where mafia brings this up, it usually means that very much likely they are confident on their ability to be unpaired with the mafia team (btw don’t twist my words and say this is a scum read, it’s called being analytical and looking at context in a different POV, which is what everyone should be doing)
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WaNObI
cause to me stett now is confident town honestly , if i want to also look into stett i am going to go crazy so i gave my head some space
holy pocket, u realise the point of making a list of pairings is to judge interactions regardless of whether u town them or not right?
7:49 a.m.
why does celestia sus wanobi?
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And ngl I do wanna see why Drfresh tr me when most thought I could be possibly a mafia
u we’re more town then everyone else but slight nullish, but right now ur being inconsistent asf, and i feel like there is an agenda behind what ur saying post D1, some things aren’t adding up
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I just think aqua is town due to her iffy reasons, like I genuinely made mistakes similar to that in the past and I was honest to everyone which got me killed.
if poor reasoning is what u town read, than how does good reasoning align to you? cause to me it’s like there is a spectrum, and if u want to go to the negative side of the spectrum and call it town, but the positive side is also obviously town? than when is it scum? ur reasoning for town reading aqua doesn’t make sense cause its just purely NAI
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Stett
and now everyone is like "ok ernie HAS to be scum now gg"
i’m still not going to vote out ernie, cause his end of game was still more towny than half of this lobby, like even aqua who i town cored is being sus asf
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there is a mafia in aqua and celestia, i’m leaning towards a celestia team, cause they are kinda 2 players that made slight scum slips, and i don’t like their interaction and their reads on each other feel awkward and unnatural to me. like im reading d2 celestia and its like she is trying to bring whatever reason there is to even say that wanobi could be mafia Like she says this and then takes it back and says she is stretching, like if that’s ur opinion why u taking it back? 💀 it kinda feels like ur scared of seeming unnatural one two three <— on a micro level this makes think they might not be paired but, macro reads > micro reads so idc four “well it has to be wanobi”… how does it have to be wanobi? why him? why does it feel like u are trying to throw dirt on him?
8:43 a.m.
@Celestia
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FreshSpice
there is a mafia in aqua and celestia, i’m leaning towards a celestia team, cause they are kinda 2 players that made slight scum slips, and i don’t like their interaction and their reads on each other feel awkward and unnatural to me. like im reading d2 celestia and its like she is trying to bring whatever reason there is to even say that wanobi could be mafia Like she says this and then takes it back and says she is stretching, like if that’s ur opinion why u taking it back? 💀 it kinda feels like ur scared of seeming unnatural one two three <— on a micro level this makes think they might not be paired but, macro reads > micro reads so idc four “well it has to be wanobi”… how does it have to be wanobi? why him? why does it feel like u are trying to throw dirt on him?
btw where i said both made scum slips, im talking about about wanobi and celestia, after “Celestia Team” i wanted to say (a wanobi and celestia team) not aqua and celestia
8:45 a.m.
just to clarify
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right now this is where i am at: Town Lean: aqua (yes i don’t town read her anymore, cause i didn’t like her EOD and post EOD) ernie Null: Stett (playing overall pro town, but idk how well it makes sense to fit her outside my poe) doggo (he is playing way more towny now than before and far from as sus eod as others) Scum Lean: Wanobi Scum Read: Celestia (idc if this feels like a big jump [null slot to scum read], but the fact that all of a sudden there is a consensus on both wagons being v/v when it logically doesn’t look like that pings me with every other thing i just pointed out)
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a celestial wanobi team is possible
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aquamxrinee
a celestial wanobi team is possible
i’m shocked no one even mentioned it
9:05 a.m.
that was like something that pinged me when i was reading back it was like a ⁉️ hold the fuck on a second
9:06 a.m.
type of moment
9:06 a.m.
i need to look at their early game and early interactions
9:06 a.m.
but i think im onto something
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Ernie
What about dot
i was a mentor for one of ur games, and i found dot kinda funny, like ur interactions with him 💀
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FreshSpice
i was a mentor for one of ur games, and i found dot kinda funny, like ur interactions with him 💀
Yeah we're good friends
9:57 a.m.
I'd like him to participate more but he's more busy then I am
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@FreshSpice why celestia and not wanobi
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aquamxrinee
@FreshSpice why celestia and not wanobi
cause the vote EOD1 was not v/v which makes me more confident, and for me if wanobi is town i can still see celestia being mafia, but if celestia is mafia, wanobi could go both ways, and people may think me saying this means that it’s basically almost the same which is not, cause it’s easier to pair celestia up with almost anyone, but it is not easy to pair up wanobi with anyone (just based on the pure dynamics of the game)
10:37 a.m.
looking at votes: Celestia: Doggo, Xia (confirmed town), Ernie to me it’s either 1 in doggo and ernie, or mafia is just all on xia (meaning doggo and ernie prob town, and celestia is likely mafia)
10:38 a.m.
ernie and celestia are clearly unpaired
10:38 a.m.
there is no doubt about that
10:39 a.m.
meaning either doggo is mafia or mafia is all on xia, which means celestia is mafia
10:39 a.m.
the bet is on who do i trust more doggo or celestia?
10:39 a.m.
@aquamxrinee are you following on?
10:40 a.m.
do i need to iso doggo again?
10:41 a.m.
bro this game is actually taking away a lot of my time and energy
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FreshSpice
cause the vote EOD1 was not v/v which makes me more confident, and for me if wanobi is town i can still see celestia being mafia, but if celestia is mafia, wanobi could go both ways, and people may think me saying this means that it’s basically almost the same which is not, cause it’s easier to pair celestia up with almost anyone, but it is not easy to pair up wanobi with anyone (just based on the pure dynamics of the game)
So your saying me almost pulling my hair out start of day 2 was me acting with celes ? No way in hell we are paired And that is simple is i an town , i cant wait for you to see that
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FreshSpice
bro this game is actually taking away a lot of my time and energy
I can feel you in that specially that i am about to be awake for 24 hours so HAHhahah
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WaNObI
So your saying me almost pulling my hair out start of day 2 was me acting with celes ? No way in hell we are paired And that is simple is i an town , i cant wait for you to see that
aqua was the one that switched up on celestia in terms of reads, and u found aqua weird, celestia’s switch up came much later on verbally, even tho tonality wise she did reciprocate aqua’s vibe, meaning u losing ur hair at aqua made total sense, and for celestia to defend aqua also made sense aswell specially to pocket aqua… and i looked through that chat and the way reads switched after eod doesn’t make sense at all, all of the reasons feel weak
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WaNObI
I can feel you in that specially that i am about to be awake for 24 hours so HAHhahah
i feel like i’ve backread a shit ton of times
12:03 p.m.
i need to get a mafia out today
12:04 p.m.
and it’s kinda selfish for me to say this but it needs to come from me
12:05 p.m.
like i can iso anyone and there is like valid reasons to sus everyone, like the fact i dont have a poe and a town core is concerning and im just here trying to weight the options
12:06 p.m.
at the same time i want to look into stett but i feel like there has to be an easy mafia within everyone else
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FreshSpice
like i can iso anyone and there is like valid reasons to sus everyone, like the fact i dont have a poe and a town core is concerning and im just here trying to weight the options
If it help your sanity cause i know i aint convincing you , i want to believe your town and i am town but your sus of me is gonna keep going , i agree with you on celestia mafia
12:08 p.m.
You can vote me out and hammer one me which would out town on a really hard spot hut at least will get a clear idea that i am town and u can give forward with the game and i feel it will give you a ton of info
12:09 p.m.
I feel mafia is using me as a tool which i want to rob them from it so i dint mind being l ynched
12:09 p.m.
Hammer me if u heed to save time
12:09 p.m.
And look back into the i teractions
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WaNObI
You can vote me out and hammer one me which would out town on a really hard spot hut at least will get a clear idea that i am town and u can give forward with the game and i feel it will give you a ton of info
I hate when people do this 😕
12:11 p.m.
i can’t judge whether is coming from town or mafia, it’s like, we only have 1 mislim and the D3 is locked votes, there is no good in that
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FreshSpice
cause the vote EOD1 was not v/v which makes me more confident, and for me if wanobi is town i can still see celestia being mafia, but if celestia is mafia, wanobi could go both ways, and people may think me saying this means that it’s basically almost the same which is not, cause it’s easier to pair celestia up with almost anyone, but it is not easy to pair up wanobi with anyone (just based on the pure dynamics of the game)
i thought eod seemed v/v
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this game shouldn’t have been this hard ngl
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aquamxrinee
i thought eod seemed v/v
no way, that is never v/v to me
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AAAA
12:12 p.m.
okay i'm around
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FreshSpice
@aquamxrinee are you following on?
yes
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FreshSpice
do i need to iso doggo again?
doesn’t hurt
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aquamxrinee
doesn’t hurt
that’s wrong
12:13 p.m.
yes it does 💀
12:13 p.m.
i feel like the more times i read back the more lost my reads get
12:14 p.m.
this game is giving me flashbacks
12:14 p.m.
@Xiafather can we hear ur perspective
12:14 p.m.
seeing as ur the only conf
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@Xiafather u said u we’re going to beat me in this tournament
12:15 p.m.
carry me
12:15 p.m.
please
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i think a celestia ernie wanobi team is highly possible
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather u said u we’re going to beat me in this tournament
is it too late to restract said statement? KEK
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Xiafather
is it too late to restract said statement? KEK
too late, once u ego me u have to stick to it 🚶‍♂️‍➡️
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so mean why
12:16 p.m.
anyways uh
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fresh what u think of wanobi ernie celestia
12:16 p.m.
u too xia
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aquamxrinee
fresh what u think of wanobi ernie celestia
i’m never voting ernie ngl
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tbh wanobi is kinda in all my worlds
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to me voting ernie is like throwing a day vote
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but he’s prob scum
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i disagree this dude is 100% town specially after that EOD 💀
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i think it’s wanobi ernie and between celestia/doggo for the last spot
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mentally i'm fried so i've mostly just skimmed a lot of what has been going on but i still think ernie isn't quite the vote, i feel personally it's too risky since i'm still sure he very well could be town here
12:17 p.m.
even if he is scum, for me it just means another gamble
12:17 p.m.
and nothing more certain
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and there are better gambles than ernie
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but i did have a feeling the mafia seemed quite comfortable at some points too
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mods rly need to prod ernie
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it’s kinda unfair if he’s town
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it is yeah
12:20 p.m.
i still don't feel like i can really trust celes, even with how it went down
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Xiafather
even if he is scum, for me it just means another gamble
this is basically how i feel, cause to me he is identical to all his games and he is kinda a threat spewed townie
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fresh, would you say there was anyoen that seemed awfully comfortable with voting me eod?
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@Ernie if ur town. you need to help
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Xiafather
fresh, would you say there was anyoen that seemed awfully comfortable with voting me eod?
wait
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or overall just seemed to have an awkward reasoning to vote me
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wanobi
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right now maybe celestia and wanobi honestly
12:21 p.m.
but then again celestia was counter wagon
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for celestia it can be explained as it being a way to save herself ye
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Xiafather
for celestia it can be explained as it being a way to save herself ye
fresh voted u eod
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FreshSpice
i’m sorry but i can’t really follow with the intention behind this it’s kinda odd, are you like trying to get all votes on to xia, because u scum read her? or because u town read celestia? i’m trying to isolate ur messages and all ive seen was this which was kind of a escape on making a read on celestia, and i’m kinda looking at the way the game is looking D2 and u seem to be going against celestia and aqua but somehow ur sure at least aqua is mafia here 💀 but not celestia? LOL celestia and wanobi are w/w, the game state at EOD proves that the vote has to be v/m, only way to explain everyone being active at EOD and trying to throw their opinions across, in a sense of paranoia… if it was v/v game would look so different, there is 100% an agenda at EOD, wanobi and celestia agenda is the one i’m picking up on right now, and them both being the ones to jump on ernie aswell also make sense. i just don’t follow with the attack on wanobi only coming after D2 by 2 players who basically did not vote wanobi at any point during D1 or didn’t seem to sus him as much as me and stett did. also celestia saying that she doesn’t think she is paired with wanobi because they argued is like… cool in that case everyone is unpaired with everyone purely on the fact that everyone pushed everyone, like assuming that a game is as linear as (mafia town each other which means that is the group is just so wrong) and i’m slowly starting to pick up on certain things that i was originally not picking up on
@Xiafather read this
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aquamxrinee
fresh voted u eod
ye but even if he's scum i don't think he'd just blatantly lie either
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so did i
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i think this will explain more about the wanobi vote on u
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Xiafather
ye but even if he's scum i don't think he'd just blatantly lie either
yea it was after like 10 mins im going g to look at votes that like actually kinda stick
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FreshSpice
@Xiafather read this
will do, gimme a sec
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wanobi voted xia early, but started to wander off her and mysteriously vote back
12:24 p.m.
he also voted xia last 10 mins like me
12:24 p.m.
he removed his vote and re voted at the end for the same person which is really scummy
12:25 p.m.
because he’s like trying to be like “i didn’t push it”
12:25 p.m.
@Xiafather @FreshSpice
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ye i can see that ngl, it's odd
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he was on xia most of the day iirc
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aquamxrinee
because he’s like trying to be like “i didn’t push it”
well he did
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seeming to want to just quickly push people to have me voted out
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cause he was @ people to vote xia
12:26 p.m.
but he wasn’t making much of a case either
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it’s lowkey tunneling bc everyone’s on me for lsv xia but he did too
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so it's just really odd behavior
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like he keeps sus me
12:26 p.m.
but he did the same thing
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keep in mind he wasn’t a wagon which was why i was considering a celestia wanobi pairing
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and he won’t even hear me out
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FreshSpice
keep in mind he wasn’t a wagon which was why i was considering a celestia wanobi pairing
i think it’s highly possible
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FreshSpice
keep in mind he wasn’t a wagon which was why i was considering a celestia wanobi pairing
i think that's likely too yeah
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@WaNObI what was ur intention behind inviting xia? specially if u we’re never planning on jumping on to celestia?
12:27 p.m.
unvoting *
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wanobi/celestia is far likely than wanobi/me FYPOV?
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100% i don’t actually think u an wanobi are paired at all
12:28 p.m.
u and wanobi + u and celestia doesn’t make much sense
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i still think celestia could be town but then we have a maf in ernie/doggo guarantee
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it's also often i sorta feel like wanobi's replies are just so rushed for no reason as well
12:29 p.m.
even when he was just questioned a lil, not even voted yet
12:29 p.m.
tho i may be wrong about that
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i see that
12:31 p.m.
i don’t see a world where wanobi is town here
12:31 p.m.
unless fresh and stett are both scum but that’s so unlikely
12:31 p.m.
then it would honestly be fresh stett ernie
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aquamxrinee
then it would honestly be fresh stett ernie
i feel like my reads would be a little more linear as mafia, i tend to stick with the same reads as mafia, but that’s cause i get mafia like 1 a year so i don’t get much practice
12:35 p.m.
i only have 1 mafia game in this server and i have like 15 games played
12:35 p.m.
actually prob 20 if we including tournaments
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aquamxrinee
💀
it’s not even a joke, cause for some reason even in ttgs me and jen don’t ever get mafia (prob cause of farming)
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FreshSpice
i can’t judge whether is coming from town or mafia, it’s like, we only have 1 mislim and the D3 is locked votes, there is no good in that
They are going to keep using me as a scap goat to as a default push , which in my case if have a pimple that is oozing puss i fucking just extract that and finish the argument if u keep it there its gonna infest , i am town ngl lie
12:38 p.m.
But u can push a confident maf if you want before to have a better standing
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so who do you think is scum then?
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If you delay it tell the end its gonna always be on the back of your mknd
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don’t give indidvidual names
12:38 p.m.
give pairings
12:38 p.m.
and i mean all 3
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WaNObI
They are going to keep using me as a scap goat to as a default push , which in my case if have a pimple that is oozing puss i fucking just extract that and finish the argument if u keep it there its gonna infest , i am town ngl lie
what in the porn metaphor is this? idk what even means
12:39 p.m.
“ngl lie”
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bc even FYPOV i don’t think me/celestia makes logical sense
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aquamxrinee
i think a celestia ernie wanobi team is highly possible
Can i get your reasoning and explanation for why as i feel you are just being blown away with the wind and being a yes man sense the start of the game
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WaNObI
Can i get your reasoning and explanation for why as i feel you are just being blown away with the wind and being a yes man sense the start of the game
maybe because i legit have never played this and im new to long form, plus the only person here i know is fresh
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aquamxrinee
tbh wanobi is kinda in all my worlds
I love this bork
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im not trying to tunnel on anyone, unlike you
12:41 p.m.
you seem so hard bent on being town and saying that you’re a bad exc cuz ur town and at the same time you are advocating for your execution?
12:41 p.m.
that’s really scummy
12:41 p.m.
it’s like you ask to be exc and when we actually vote you were somehow scum?💀
12:42 p.m.
it just seems like you are trying to make urself seem inno by acting like ur happy being exc but when it acc becomes a possibility all the sudden ur all up in arms
12:42 p.m.
@FreshSpice @Stett @Xiafather what do you think
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I was convinced that xia was maf honestly and i didnt want the vote to be sniped so i removed it to be last vote but then remembered it was a coin flip if it was tied i am more used to a sniping mech
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i just….i don’t see that if you really thought she was maf
12:43 p.m.
idk i don’t buy that
12:44 p.m.
why’d you think she was maf
12:44 p.m.
that just sounds like scum trying to blend tbh
12:44 p.m.
town isn’t usually worried about being first vote on smth
12:45 p.m.
at least im not
12:48 p.m.
tbh the more u talk the more scummy you get, at first i thought u could’ve been paranoid town but this just seems like porn
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FreshSpice
cause he was @ people to vote xia
I didnt like how the switch happened honestly and i though you where the one who changed your vote which is why i said sorry for the ping when i realised it was stet , i was on xia most of the day because i sussed her for not giving a clear sus or vote but then i respected the i wont vote anyone else that i dont sus vibe , but then came a wifomy post followed by a vote on celes to me that looked scummy although its a counter wagon cause it went against the i wont vote unless i sus someone and with no explanation that was my thought process , when we got eod a sudden unvote followed by changes scared me so i started voting cause i was paranoid mafia was trying to snipe then i realised its cause they where trying to prevent an ernie snipe thus i under stood last vote remove and add at last minute was for preventing a snipe switch or sth simillar as a mech but i realized it doesnt matter , the only thing i will say is if i am mafia i want even be this worried or this flippy cause i would have more info i am just a town that get paranoid sometimes thanks for coming to my ted talk
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aquamxrinee
i don’t see a world where wanobi is town here
And just as a i said mafia will keep pushing this narrative which is why i am ok with being hammered today to help town the more u delay it the more they can use it
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“i was paranoid mafia”
12:50 p.m.
🤨
12:51 p.m.
i believe that
12:51 p.m.
paranoid mafia
12:51 p.m.
but still a mafia!
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aquamxrinee
“i was paranoid mafia”
I aint paranoid mafia
12:53 p.m.
I am town
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that’s what u said in ur ted talk
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aquamxrinee
town isn’t usually worried about being first vote on smth
Your not understanding the mechnesim , there was a sniping mechanism where i used to play eod if there is a tie in vote last vote can lynch that person
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its rng
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aquamxrinee
that’s what u said in ur ted talk
I said if i am mafia i wont be paranoid or that lost
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aquamxrinee
its rng
Here it is , which is why i realized at the end it doesnt matter
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you never clarified that when u switched
12:56 p.m.
ur like looking back
12:56 p.m.
nah ur scum
12:56 p.m.
ur only defense is attack
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aquamxrinee
you never clarified that when u switched
I didnt look back but i wasnt asked about it , you can see a post by stet though and i said i have something in mind that was the thing on my mind
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yeah im ngl that seems like a stretch
12:57 p.m.
you didn’t clarify after either
12:57 p.m.
u didn’t clarify till now
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aquamxrinee
ur only defense is attack
At least i can explain my eod , in your case its i dont want to be with unclear people
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aquamxrinee
you didn’t clarify after either
I wasnt asked about it
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it should be unprompted
12:57 p.m.
i clarified my eod before i even switched
12:58 p.m.
i said i was going to switch bc i don’t like the ppl voting ernie
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WaNObI
I wasnt asked about it
@FreshSpice @Xiafather @Stett is it just me or is this super scummy
12:58 p.m.
anyway, i have class for the next 2-3 hours so i will be back then
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Why are u seeking there opinion and trying to get justification
12:59 p.m.
If you see me as scummy see me as scummy
12:59 p.m.
You have been flipping acording to what ever anyone says the whole day yesterday and today
1:00 p.m.
Even at eod you where on celes untill you where like nah i wana be with unsus people cause i am scared i am gonna be judged i dint know how everyone doesnt see this as scummy
1:00 p.m.
If you flip town i am gonna lose my mind hoenstly
1:01 p.m.
But i am gonna try to look for indications else where cause i feel this conversation wont get us anywhere
1:01 p.m.
Good luck with your class
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hey just chiming in to say i am swamped
2:58 p.m.
i can check in in maybe 3-4 hours and then spend a lot of time here
2:59 p.m.
chat autoscrolled down for me when tying above so if anyone pinged me i am sorry i completely missed it
2:59 p.m.
would appreciate it if someone could be give cliff notes
3:00 p.m.
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FreshSpice
if poor reasoning is what u town read, than how does good reasoning align to you? cause to me it’s like there is a spectrum, and if u want to go to the negative side of the spectrum and call it town, but the positive side is also obviously town? than when is it scum? ur reasoning for town reading aqua doesn’t make sense cause its just purely NAI
Haven't I already town read Aqua ever since Day 1? This is just an additional information that I added for her due to her inconsistent behaviors which most likely fits town behavior? Like you've seen my Aqua less town read as in slightly town but with problems.
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FreshSpice
there is a mafia in aqua and celestia, i’m leaning towards a celestia team, cause they are kinda 2 players that made slight scum slips, and i don’t like their interaction and their reads on each other feel awkward and unnatural to me. like im reading d2 celestia and its like she is trying to bring whatever reason there is to even say that wanobi could be mafia Like she says this and then takes it back and says she is stretching, like if that’s ur opinion why u taking it back? 💀 it kinda feels like ur scared of seeming unnatural one two three <— on a micro level this makes think they might not be paired but, macro reads > micro reads so idc four “well it has to be wanobi”… how does it have to be wanobi? why him? why does it feel like u are trying to throw dirt on him?
I'm not trying to throw dirt on wanobi at all, the reason why I stated "it has to be him" is solely because of process of elimination? I town read Aqua, Stett, you and xia is confirmed town which leaves to wanobi/doggo/ernie
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im back from lab but gtg in like 30 mins
3:44 p.m.
💀
3:44 p.m.
but yeah it has to be wanobi
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aquamxrinee
but yeah it has to be wanobi
slay i love it when mafia comes in with the agenda hard between both of them , it has to be wanobi bork do make merch along the way u can it can help with how much you are promoting it
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well if it isn’t stett and fresh which are both my most town leans, it has to be btw u doggo ernie celestia and with current pairings i don’t see u being town
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WaNObI
slay i love it when mafia comes in with the agenda hard between both of them , it has to be wanobi bork do make merch along the way u can it can help with how much you are promoting it
you have no reason to say it’s an agenda, where is ur reasoning
3:55 p.m.
tbh, i think it’s you/celestia/doggo or you/ernie/doggo, could also be you/ernie/doggo but idk
3:55 p.m.
i just don’t think it’s celestia/ernie/doggo
3:56 p.m.
doggo rn is the most inno of the 4, which points towards you/celestia/ernie
3:57 p.m.
we only have room for one mislynch, i really don’t want to mislynch, and i don’t think we will if we vote u cuz i strongly believe ur scum. but if you weren’t, you would be a better mislynch than let’s say ernie
3:59 p.m.
if ernie and you are both inno (which is imo impossible) then although both excs suck, he would provide significantly less info compared to u
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Like I said before it was way better to just hang me, because right now drfresh is fixated on me and I'm afraid we might have a second mislynch because I know for certain that I am 100% town, some people may suspect this like I'm sorta having an agenda and that I'm using reverse type psychology but I wouldn't risk myself if I was mafia, in hopes for someone to analyse my words in day 1 I was genuinely being honest?
4:03 p.m.
I'm keeping my vote to wanobi I just see he's character as being consistent
4:04 p.m.
He was very chill day 1 and the sudden switch icks me
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Celestia
I'm keeping my vote to wanobi I just see he's character as being consistent
Inconsistent*
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aquamxrinee
if ernie and you are both inno (which is imo impossible) then although both excs suck, he would provide significantly less info compared to u
Are you sure you don't keep coming for me just cause I'm an easy target?
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Celestia
He was very chill day 1 and the sudden switch icks me
me too
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Ernie
Are you sure you don't keep coming for me just cause I'm an easy target?
you literally don’t even try to seem town
4:15 p.m.
or do anything
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aquamxrinee
you literally don’t even try to seem town
Is that the only reason?
5:02 p.m.
Imo it's cause you just want an easy target why you're coming for me
5:02 p.m.
"Cause you don't try seem town" doesn't make much sense
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have to drive in a bit
5:19 p.m.
but can anyone summarize the arguments against wanobi and pin them for me when i am back later?
5:19 p.m.
ping me for them
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im not gonna be able to backread for a few hours still, but @FreshSpice @WaNObI do yall have any scum game examples you could link pls
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Ernie
I'll be more active I promise 😞
@Ernie soooooooooooo
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Ernie
Are you sure you don't keep coming for me just cause I'm an easy target?
make yourself not an easy target then and try to play the game you signed up for
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Stett
make yourself not an easy target then and try to play the game you signed up for
So youre saying you're only going for me cause I'm an easy target?
5:38 p.m.
That's pretty lazy
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Stett
@Ernie soooooooooooo
Soooooo I guess cause I wasn't active I'm mafia
5:42 p.m.
Very good reasoning
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Stett
make yourself not an easy target then and try to play the game you signed up for
If you want my reads I think you and aqua
5:54 p.m.
Are sus*
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Ernie
If you want my reads I think you and aqua
and can you elaborate on that? what is it about them that makes you think they're sus?
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Xiafather
and can you elaborate on that? what is it about them that makes you think they're sus?
Stett is coming for me for no reason, aqua is mostly gut if not for the fact of her being weird with votes and some stuff earlier which i forgot
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Ernie
Stett is coming for me for no reason, aqua is mostly gut if not for the fact of her being weird with votes and some stuff earlier which i forgot
i wouldn't quite say it's for no reason tho, none of us really got much of anything from you so far during this game still that really tells us you're truly town
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^^^
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so ofc there'll be doubts
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Xiafather
i wouldn't quite say it's for no reason tho, none of us really got much of anything from you so far during this game still that really tells us you're truly town
You have no reason to think I'm town but is that a reason to think I'm mafia?
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there may not be anything that screams "scum!" but there's nothing to disprove it either
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Ernie
You have no reason to think I'm town but is that a reason to think I'm mafia?
guilty until proved innocent
6:11 p.m.
this isn't a game where we can just blindly trust you're town, if there has no been proof from you that you are one
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no constitutional rights here
6:11 p.m.
xia what u think of wanobi
6:11 p.m.
and wanobi/celestia as a goon pair
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i do want to think you're town, from our interactions before this game ernie, but there really isn't much i can say regarding what you've done so far
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Xiafather
i do want to think you're town, from our interactions before this game ernie, but there really isn't much i can say regarding what you've done so far
absolutely nothing 💀
6:12 p.m.
he’s literally afk
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aquamxrinee
xia what u think of wanobi
ngl, i feel wanobi odd. his replies to any questioning he receives just feels really rushed, as if he's stressed for some reason (lack of any comma or separation at all in between his lines, hard to understand sometimes because words get mixed up etc. what exactly makes him that stressed when he gets questions, i wonder?
6:13 p.m.
and also just overall behavior too just feels sorta off to me
6:14 p.m.
i do think that pair is a possibility
6:14 p.m.
nothing celestia has said has really made me feel much less sus of her either
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ngl, i feel wanobi odd. his replies to any questioning he receives just feels really rushed, as if he's stressed for some reason (lack of any comma or separation at all in between his lines, hard to understand sometimes because words get mixed up etc. what exactly makes him that stressed when he gets questions, i wonder?
i get this. his reason for eod was also sus, i explained my reasoning for the vote change before i did it while he didn’t explain till a couple hours ago and his response one “i didn’t say cuz nobody asked” which felt super scummy
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yeah
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he also changed with 10mins left
6:15 p.m.
and started hard sussing me but he did the same exact thing and didn’t explain it
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yeah
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and the way he explained it after seemed like porn
6:15 p.m.
“i didn’t know there was no sniping”
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only to then go back to me last minute
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i just don’t see him being town
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i struggle with seeing that too
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only thing is he offered to be hammered, but then also immediately called us sus for voting him, but also told village to vote him?
6:16 p.m.
so i feel like asking to be exc is usually towny but in his case it could just be porn
6:16 p.m.
since as soon as we start fulfilling his request, we are somehow sus
6:16 p.m.
and then he starts talking about how he’s gonna freak out if im town💀
6:17 p.m.
he hasn’t provided much more than “aqua and celestia are goon together” with his reasoning being my vote switch
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yea true
6:18 p.m.
comfy
6:22 p.m.
o well, for now i feel like i got no reason to not vote for wanobi
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aquamxrinee
absolutely nothing 💀
Sorry gang
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alright, back
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welcome backk
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hey xia
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heyo
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can you give me the cliffs on ur wanobi vote?
6:31 p.m.
oh wow i see some green ernie posts above too
6:31 p.m.
ah mostly green aqua posts
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DoggoLost
can you give me the cliffs on ur wanobi vote?
  • his eod
  • responses seem really stressed/rushed whenever questioned
  • him offering to be hammered was just odd
  • and his overall behavior feels just a somehow off to me
6:32 p.m.
i'd say
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okie thanks
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tho i may be a bit lacking in my reasoning etc but i've been busy (really really sorry 99Acry but exams are coming up and gotta rush to finish the last assignments atm)
6:33 p.m.
but even so, from what i have read etc, wanobi just seems off too me
6:33 p.m.
and celes too
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i still need to do my backreading but biggest thing i was mulling over throughout the day was my thoughts on celestia. part of me really still feels icky about the way eod happened and i think from all my meta reading, celestia pinged me the most sus yesterday and i don't want to abandon that now if i was onto something. is there partner equity with celestia and wanobi?
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i do think it's a possibility
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DoggoLost
i still need to do my backreading but biggest thing i was mulling over throughout the day was my thoughts on celestia. part of me really still feels icky about the way eod happened and i think from all my meta reading, celestia pinged me the most sus yesterday and i don't want to abandon that now if i was onto something. is there partner equity with celestia and wanobi?
yes it is a possibility
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lemme pull out my notepad real with for my meta notes and see wut i have for wanobi
6:38 p.m.
alright, the game i looked at for wan was ex9
6:38 p.m.
he replaced in day 4 so no day 1 to day 1 read comparisons
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still better than nothing at least
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Ernie
So youre saying you're only going for me cause I'm an easy target?
no, i'm saying you have given me 0 reason to townread you so do me a favor and try if you're a town. inactivity =/= mafia, inactivity = harder to solve
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Ernie
If you want my reads I think you and aqua
great. unpack that. why?
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yeah so sam did his common 'u replaced into scum slot' trick in that game but wanobi calmly said no and then claimed. my notes say that in that game he misunderstoon what sam was saying about multiple trackers but calmly replied and i compared that to our day 1 here where he slighlyt overreacted to me saying inch resting which broke his calm town pattern. but then i also wrote that fresh said something about wan not surviving, wan calmly replied which was back on what i expected
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Stett
im not gonna be able to backread for a few hours still, but @FreshSpice @WaNObI do yall have any scum game examples you could link pls
5upDes i just realized they're both european so they may have fully fucked off by now
6:42 p.m.
@aquamxrinee you're from same site as fresh right? do you know of any scum games he was in i could look up?
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Stett
@aquamxrinee you're from same site as fresh right? do you know of any scum games he was in i could look up?
unfortunately those don’t save since they’re on an app
6:43 p.m.
and i’ve never played long form with him
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:wowee: ic
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overall impressions of wanobi in ex9 was that he was chill, analytical, misread scum tho.
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just short form 1/2min
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ill just search in archives here and hope
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he might have some MU games u can see
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this game it's slightly more mixed
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aquamxrinee
he might have some MU games u can see
he's only been town on mu afaik but ill check
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alright thanks for the cliffs xiay, ima backread soon
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he said he’s only been scum here a couple times
6:44 p.m.
in short form he tends to be really controlling of the game
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stett and ernie are fighting, inch resting
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he tends to be really calm when town
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DoggoLost
stett and ernie are fighting, inch resting
i never thought they were paired
6:44 p.m.
tbh i think it’s ernie wanobi celestia or doggo wanobi ernie
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oh i am not saying ernie and stett are paired, i am just saying it looks like there was a fight
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atp i don’t rly see a maf team without wanobi
6:45 p.m.
yeah there was some mumbling
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DoggoLost
oh i am not saying ernie and stett are paired, i am just saying it looks like there was a fight
im not sure you know what a "fight" means lol
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me and fresh have almost the same reads but he is convinced ernie is town which i just don’t see
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aquamxrinee
tbh i think it’s ernie wanobi celestia or doggo wanobi ernie
so you think ernie and celestia are paired?
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DoggoLost
so you think ernie and celestia are paired?
possibly
6:46 p.m.
highly possible
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ernie isnt with celestia
6:46 p.m.
it makes no sense
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i need to go eat
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Stett
im not sure you know what a "fight" means lol
fair
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i’ll be back in idk
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if ernie is with celestia
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20mins?
6:46 p.m.
ernie can be paired with anyone imo
6:46 p.m.
he hasn’t done an hr hung
6:46 p.m.
anything
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alright i should be hear still when u are back aqua
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ernie literally bussed her d1 for 0 reason b/c i was projecting a swap onto celestia
6:46 p.m.
and he couldnt have known aqua would switch unless w/w/w or something
6:47 p.m.
like i literally said: if you vote celestia i'm swapping so it doesnt tie
6:47 p.m.
there is no reason w/w ernie/clestia should do that in this setup
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sorry for getting heated yesterday, i hate weird eod but thanks for being calm now / i hope to stay calmer too, had a long day
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Stett
there is no reason w/w ernie/clestia should do that in this setup
@aquamxrinee
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Stett
ernie literally bussed her d1 for 0 reason b/c i was projecting a swap onto celestia
this is a case that earnie and celestia are not paired right?
6:48 p.m.
im saying they are
6:48 p.m.
never w/w
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ah should have read the last line
6:48 p.m.
inch resting
6:49 p.m.
i have no context in my brain to judge that quite yet
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ah ok
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but it sounds like it will be part of an important discussion once i am caught up
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im in and out cuz i dont wanna be on my phone with friends
6:49 p.m.
so
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if im wasn’t
6:49 p.m.
washy
6:50 p.m.
that’s why
6:50 p.m.
for the next like 20 mins
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DoggoLost
i have no context in my brain to judge that quite yet
?
6:50 p.m.
you were here
6:50 p.m.
eod
6:50 p.m.
and yesterday
6:50 p.m.
you should have sufficient context
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yes i was
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unless you've been afk for 30 hours
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but i am doing a million things at once
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you should have sufficient context to understand why they aren't w/w
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DoggoLost
but i am doing a million things at once
how you dont the chart exercise i requested btw?
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what chart exercise
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Stett
so into google sheets, and make a list of all possible worlds. then grey out the ones you think can't be possible
this
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genuinely confused there, unless it was something u requested recently / in last 23 hours
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Stett
Click to see attachment 🖼️
@FreshSpice @Ernie @DoggoLost pls?
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DoggoLost
genuinely confused there, unless it was something u requested recently / in last 23 hours
i thought i pinged everyone but may have not
6:53 p.m.
its an unpairing exercise so we can see how you're processing the game and understand your worldview
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i said earlier in day that my chat autoscrolled down accidentally and i lost all my pings
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but i'll see wut i can do
6:54 p.m.
never done an exercise quite like this but it sounds helpful
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Dr Fresh Stett WaNObi Dr Fresh Stett Celestia Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh WaNObi Celestia Dr Fresh WaNObi Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh WaNObi Ernie Dr Fresh Celestia Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Celestia Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Aquamxrinee Stett Celestia Aquamxrinee Stett Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Celestia Stett WaNObi Ernie Stett Celestia Ernie WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee WaNObi Aquamxrinee Ernie WaNObi Celestia Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie
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Stett
Dr Fresh Stett WaNObi Dr Fresh Stett Celestia Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh WaNObi Celestia Dr Fresh WaNObi Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh WaNObi Ernie Dr Fresh Celestia Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Celestia Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Aquamxrinee Stett Celestia Aquamxrinee Stett Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Celestia Stett WaNObi Ernie Stett Celestia Ernie WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee WaNObi Aquamxrinee Ernie WaNObi Celestia Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie
@DoggoLost copy paste this into sheets or excel, and grey out the teams you dont think are possible pls
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Stett
great. unpack that. why?
Already explained mat
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Ernie
Already explained mat
Mate*
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your reason to sr me from what i saw is that
6:56 p.m.
"i'm coming for you for no reason"
6:56 p.m.
which is omgus
6:56 p.m.
did i miss more context?
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Did you not see my message
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Stett
"i'm coming for you for no reason"
I think that's weird and that's the only reason you've given
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Stett
@FreshSpice @DoggoLost @WaNObI @Celestia @Xiafather @aquamxrinee @Ernie
still thinking this stett? replying mostly to have a bookmark and so i can look at the current red ping i have
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that was mostly a rt
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Stett
@DoggoLost copy paste this into sheets or excel, and grey out the teams you dont think are possible pls
ah thanks for the easy copy paste
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it didnt do anything cause no one was online
6:58 p.m.
5upDes
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reaction test
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oh duh
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Ernie
I think that's weird and that's the only reason you've given
unless im missing something you think im sus b/c i think you're sus
7:00 p.m.
you are saying the only reason i'm pushing you is b/c you're inactive and not towny which is "no reason"
7:00 p.m.
so
7:00 p.m.
lemme reexplain
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I want you to explain how I'm not towny though
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Stett
Dr Fresh Stett WaNObi Dr Fresh Stett Celestia Dr Fresh Stett Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Stett Ernie Dr Fresh WaNObi Celestia Dr Fresh WaNObi Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh WaNObi Ernie Dr Fresh Celestia Aquamxrinee Dr Fresh Celestia Ernie Dr Fresh Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Aquamxrinee Stett Celestia Aquamxrinee Stett Aquamxrinee Ernie Stett WaNObi Celestia Stett WaNObi Ernie Stett Celestia Ernie WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee WaNObi Aquamxrinee Ernie WaNObi Celestia Ernie Celestia Aquamxrinee Ernie
oh did u already remove the mentions of me? how thoughtful xD making it truly an ez copy/paste, at first i thought u had it laying around as a generic copy. will fill it in after doing my backreads.
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Whys wanobi getting voted
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Stett
Everyone who could be scum: Dr Fresh DoggoLost WaNObi Celestia Aquamxrinee Everyone should ostensibly have themselves + xia not in this group so just sub my name in for yours
ernie missing from this list?
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i think you are being actively unhelpful and are refusing to play the game in a meaningful capacity. I think every time we've begged you to participate you've said you would backread, or give thoughts, and then fucked off and didn't. I think you expressed interest in winning the tournament for the sake of nitro but haven't done any meaningful solving that shows you actually care about this goal IF your wincon is winning as town. I think you voted for the sake of tying a wagon and didn't give a flying fuck whether celestia or xia died b/c you didn't have expressed reads on either of them. I think you're min efforting the game, which makes it impossible to find you if you're town, and is an easy way for mafia to hide b/c you don't get info from low effort posters. I think you've promised activity time and time again, but haven't, and are now pushing people purely off OMGUS without trying to understand their POV. I think you have so far failed in every capacity to present any modicum of solving or any pretense of interest in the game, and haven't tried to work towards finding and killing mafia. This is a lot, this is harsh, and i'm sorry. But it's my read.
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Stett
i killed him in my brain i fear 😔
ah nvm okie
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DoggoLost
ernie missing from this list?
literally keep reading for 6 more messages pls
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WaNObI
Before in the day when fresh towned aqua cause they slipped on a comment towards having a mafia chat or sth i do t remember he said no way this happens when u are mafia or it would be really cringe
do anyone have the original message of fresh saying this?
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Stett
i think you are being actively unhelpful and are refusing to play the game in a meaningful capacity. I think every time we've begged you to participate you've said you would backread, or give thoughts, and then fucked off and didn't. I think you expressed interest in winning the tournament for the sake of nitro but haven't done any meaningful solving that shows you actually care about this goal IF your wincon is winning as town. I think you voted for the sake of tying a wagon and didn't give a flying fuck whether celestia or xia died b/c you didn't have expressed reads on either of them. I think you're min efforting the game, which makes it impossible to find you if you're town, and is an easy way for mafia to hide b/c you don't get info from low effort posters. I think you've promised activity time and time again, but haven't, and are now pushing people purely off OMGUS without trying to understand their POV. I think you have so far failed in every capacity to present any modicum of solving or any pretense of interest in the game, and haven't tried to work towards finding and killing mafia. This is a lot, this is harsh, and i'm sorry. But it's my read.
@Ernie
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Stett
i think you are being actively unhelpful and are refusing to play the game in a meaningful capacity. I think every time we've begged you to participate you've said you would backread, or give thoughts, and then fucked off and didn't. I think you expressed interest in winning the tournament for the sake of nitro but haven't done any meaningful solving that shows you actually care about this goal IF your wincon is winning as town. I think you voted for the sake of tying a wagon and didn't give a flying fuck whether celestia or xia died b/c you didn't have expressed reads on either of them. I think you're min efforting the game, which makes it impossible to find you if you're town, and is an easy way for mafia to hide b/c you don't get info from low effort posters. I think you've promised activity time and time again, but haven't, and are now pushing people purely off OMGUS without trying to understand their POV. I think you have so far failed in every capacity to present any modicum of solving or any pretense of interest in the game, and haven't tried to work towards finding and killing mafia. This is a lot, this is harsh, and i'm sorry. But it's my read.
So I voted celestia because I found it weird when she kept asking about the same thing, I also asked would it be bad if i voted celestia in case of a tie and I was given the green light
7:09 p.m.
You weren't there I'm guessing
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Stett
so fmpov celestia/ernie always holds a maf
i don't disagree with the conclusion here but ngl i feel like i look at ur chart and read the explanation underneath it and i can't understand ur logic. maybe u say more later and it will make sense as i backread, but at a glace the explanations feel too one line for me to understand, might just be my brain tho
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Stett
im gonna go speedrun the genshin event chiao
most fun combat event in a LONG time. don't want to get too distracted but what character(s) do u main?
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Ernie
So I voted celestia because I found it weird when she kept asking about the same thing, I also asked would it be bad if i voted celestia in case of a tie and I was given the green light
i was very much there at eod
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Celestia
And ngl I do wanna see why Drfresh tr me when most thought I could be possibly a mafia
when did fresh say that? if true that is indeed weird
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Stett
i was very much there at eod
Then you didn't see what I said I guess
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DoggoLost
most fun combat event in a LONG time. don't want to get too distracted but what character(s) do u main?
i did so bad at the combat event......
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aquamxrinee
i don’t trust doggo ngl
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i was talking bout the Sabzeruz Festival event tho
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Celestia
If what drfresh says is true that wanobi scum slip
why did u say this so soon after saying it was sus for fresh to town u?
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DoggoLost
most fun combat event in a LONG time. don't want to get too distracted but what character(s) do u main?
rn my main team is neuv/furina/nahida/zhongli
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Ernie
Then you didn't see what I said I guess
7:16 p.m.
literally what
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Stett
i take it this means yall arent gonna do the homework assignment 😔
also kinda curious if ur a teacher or something
7:17 p.m.
im trying to force yall to do the pairing exercise to pull out inconsistencies in your world view that become evident when you have to explain why x and x arent paired
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rn my main team is neuv/furina/nahida/zhongli
ah very cool, i am a c6 kazuha main, xianyun/[furina or diona]/c6 bennett/c6 kazu. had to same my freemos so long for him T_T
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Stett
im trying to force yall to do the pairing exercise to pull out inconsistencies in your world view that become evident when you have to explain why x and x arent paired
yeah makes sense
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Celestia
I just think aqua is town due to her iffy reasons, like I genuinely made mistakes similar to that in the past and I was honest to everyone which got me killed.
can u share the mistakes ur talking about in more detail?
7:21 p.m.
do you ever do anything with these questions
7:21 p.m.
b/c it doesnt really feel like u do
7:21 p.m.
what's your worldview rn?
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im back
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Stett
hi back
what’s ur logic voting ernie
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Celestia
As much as I trust drfresh and stett I don't wanna be too much relying on them
anyone else u trust more?
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Ernie
Then you didn't see what I said I guess
what are you claiming you said. link it. i see nothing in your posts or progression to explain voting celestia for any reason other than to tie, so show me where you said you thought it was weird she was asking about things
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aquamxrinee
what’s ur logic voting ernie
i think he's mafia and i think his recent posts are trying to OMGUS and pretend he shared thoughts he never did.
7:24 p.m.
and i think any town would have a reaction to me literally dragging them for 500 words
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and he just
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ignored it
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Stett
i just dont understand this progression lol
yes i definitely agree that this progression was bonkers
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do u think wanobi is maf
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cuz if so
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he’s a better vote than ernie no?
7:26 p.m.
i also wanna hear what u think of wanobi reasoning for his last 10 min vote switch
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and the fact that he didn’t explain it till like a couple hours ago
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and then
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ykw i’ll tag u
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this is actually kinda valid tho but it didn't show in ur progression very well
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i havent backread through the chat from while i was at work yet, so ill get to that. idrk what i think of wanobi rn. some of his stuff feels like it's pockety, but he's had some really good stand alone posts. it's why im hoping for a scum game to reference so i can get a sense of his range
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@Stett this convo
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aquamxrinee
@Stett this convo
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Stett
what are you claiming you said. link it. i see nothing in your posts or progression to explain voting celestia for any reason other than to tie, so show me where you said you thought it was weird she was asking about things
K wait
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do scum have to hard defend each other? inch resting tho
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https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303855397198889048 @Stett I'm asking what would happen in event of a tie, the vote would be less of a hassle if it didn't matter alot, I can vote who I wanna with no longing it out
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think i laid out my case pretty well and immediately after or before eod (i forget which exactly) when i was online it seemed like u were agreeing that my arguments against u were valid and that u did have incosistencies from ur town game. but now u go backwards and say that my arguments weren't valid? this is just another example of u being inconsistent imo.
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@Ernie give me ur thoughts on what i tagged stett in
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aquamxrinee
@Ernie give me ur thoughts on what i tagged stett in
Where
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aquamxrinee
@Stett this convo
I'll read in a sec I'm looking at smth
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@Ernie this convo
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Ernie
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303855397198889048 @Stett I'm asking what would happen in event of a tie, the vote would be less of a hassle if it didn't matter alot, I can vote who I wanna with no longing it out
that message has literally nothing to do with this claim
7:33 p.m.
"what happens if it ties" is not the same thing as "i think celestia is being weird and repetitive"
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with as many replies i give in my backreads? u think i am reading the chat twice?
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Stett
"what happens if it ties" is not the same thing as "i think celestia is being weird and repetitive"
It's the same just worded different
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i just don’t know why u would join if ur not gonna be active
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bb this cannot be fr
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Ernie
It's the same just worded different
?????????????????????
7:35 p.m.
no it literally fucking isnt???
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Stett
bb this cannot be fr
well i don’t think that’s possible im just saying
7:35 p.m.
like i don’t think there is a world in which u and fresh are ww
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what happens if it ties is a mech question and you cannot try to pretend it was an expression of sus on celestia
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be so fr
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Stett
that message has literally nothing to do with this claim
I asked what would happen if it tied I'm considering voting celestia
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Stett
what happens if it ties is a mech question and you cannot try to pretend it was an expression of sus on celestia
this is exactly what wanobi did
7:36 p.m.
he went from “xia sus” to “mech!”
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just admit u messed up homie
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ik i did
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no you're not tripping, i can see it too
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Day 1 Votecount 7 xiaysa: 2 - drfresh.1 , .celestia_ludenberg. .celestia_ludenberg.: 4 - doggodumbs , aquamxrinee , xiaysa , stett Abstaining: 2 - kotruce , wanobi.eth
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Here btw
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I could've easily voted celestia out
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I wouldn't vote for no reason
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This was before celestia kept asking
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I don't get what you're tryna get at stett
7:38 p.m.
we were all yapping about more info from celestia
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i said rng votes suck so if you tied it i'd untie
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Stett
i said rng votes suck so if you tied it i'd untie
I was clearly already considering it I voted who I thought was more suspicious
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and then aqua despite saying she wanted celestia over xia for info flipped over and wanobi revoted
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Ernie
I was clearly already considering it I voted who I thought was more suspicious
"idk who to vote bro"
7:39 p.m.
this is why
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its important to say your inner dialogue
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as its happening
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Stett
"idk who to vote bro"
Yeah and I weighed my options and celestia was a better pick
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b/c rn you're basically saying: "source: trust me bro this is what i meant" but your logs don't justify it at all so its a struggle to belive you aren't just retroactivley BSing
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Your going for nothing
7:41 p.m.
You're*
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im trying to understand wtf you're thinking
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ok.
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ill chill a little
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Stett
b/c rn you're basically saying: "source: trust me bro this is what i meant" but your logs don't justify it at all so its a struggle to belive you aren't just retroactivley BSing
It's legit just one instance
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explain which celestia logs you saw that made you want to vote her?
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thats why i am happy to be lynched cause i will give info to town and they can hunt you and celestia clearly then
7:42 p.m.
but i also still believe there can be a wolf between stett and fresh
7:42 p.m.
good morning cuties
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i just woke up btw
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WaNObI
but i also still believe there can be a wolf between stett and fresh
lol since win
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when
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*as in, since when was i back on the table for u
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aquamxrinee
red are pairings i’ve ruled out
so stett is 100% town to u it looks like? and then celestia/me can't be paired?
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Stett
im not gonna be able to backread for a few hours still, but @FreshSpice @WaNObI do yall have any scum game examples you could link pls
i wish i can give you some but this is my first one the server and i never played forums or anything like that
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aquamxrinee
are the main ones
nvm i should have just read down tow more seconds
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all i have is trust me bro ironically xD
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Stett
explain which celestia logs you saw that made you want to vote her?
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1303852003792912455 from here and you scroll upwards a little it seems like she's just questioning for no reason
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WaNObI
i wish i can give you some but this is my first one the server and i never played forums or anything like that
as in you've never randed scum ever?
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Xiafather
ngl, i feel wanobi odd. his replies to any questioning he receives just feels really rushed, as if he's stressed for some reason (lack of any comma or separation at all in between his lines, hard to understand sometimes because words get mixed up etc. what exactly makes him that stressed when he gets questions, i wonder?
i am really sorry about the commas , i am just used to writing what on my mind i guess but i see what u mean will try to fix that noted
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Xiafather
nothing celestia has said has really made me feel much less sus of her either
well i guess my first game wasnt that good , hopefully we adapt and make it better next one
7:46 p.m.
anyway hammer me today please
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we arent voting a town today
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so if you're a town
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gtfo with that
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aquamxrinee
he hasn’t provided much more than “aqua and celestia are goon together” with his reasoning being my vote switch
add to it one in stett and fresh
7:47 p.m.
and one in ernie and doggo i see it more ernie than doggo
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WaNObI
and one in ernie and doggo i see it more ernie than doggo
then why not vote ernie w/ me?
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Stett
the only one of those that actually feels plausible is doggo/ernie/wanobi
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Stett
then why not vote ernie w/ me?
Charisma
7:49 p.m.
You're very stuck on voting me
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maybe all of yall are maf...
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Stett
maybe all of yall are maf...
Maybe
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Ernie
You're very stuck on voting me
and who would u vote rn if you had to?
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Stett
ernie literally bussed her d1 for 0 reason b/c i was projecting a swap onto celestia
would also give us an unpairing with doggo you think
7:51 p.m.
but i really got off vibes from celes start of day today which is driving me crazy and i dont see it being a v v eod
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WaNObI
but i really got off vibes from celes start of day today which is driving me crazy and i dont see it being a v v eod
then why not vote celestia?
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Stett
and who would u vote rn if you had to?
Celestia probably I haven't been reading alot of chats so this is from what I've seen you're wrong but probably just wrong and not trying to make things up
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so in that case if its and aqua stella team , not me earnie dogo then that leaves one with you and fresh sttet , in the case fresh was also towning celes heavly but i felt he tried to unpair him self from them today
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i mean yeah
7:53 p.m.
if celest is maf
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ernie isnt
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WaNObI
so in that case if its and aqua stella team , not me earnie dogo then that leaves one with you and fresh sttet , in the case fresh was also towning celes heavly but i felt he tried to unpair him self from them today
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ernie i mean i get it it sucks they are gunning for you without reason in your eyes , but you being silent hurts town more than it helps it that is plenty of reason thus is why they are telling you what your coming with is shallow as hell , dig deeper and give us reads analysis something please
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could not be loaded bro
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WaNObI
ernie i mean i get it it sucks they are gunning for you without reason in your eyes , but you being silent hurts town more than it helps it that is plenty of reason thus is why they are telling you what your coming with is shallow as hell , dig deeper and give us reads analysis something please
I've been trying to be more active I can be tomorrow cause I'll have no school or anything but they're using the fact I'm inactive as a reason to vote me which I do get now but I still think is stupid
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is blind sometimes then
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honestly spot on thank you
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back to putting and directing all eyes to me which you also say you dont tunnel , aqua i am honestly here like i hope your not town honestly
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too bad i am
7:59 p.m.
im not tunneling i’ve expressed my sus for doggo ernie and cel too
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im not really sure i understand what you're reading as scummy here imma be so fr
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Stett
im not really sure i understand what you're reading as scummy here imma be so fr
his reasoning for eod and not explaining it right then
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i dont autoexplain like
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a lot as town
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ill do stuff
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and if people ask ill explain
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understand what i said please cause i never said i am switching from xia for that i always meant to stay on xia but wanted to be last vote for a vote incase of a snipe
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but idrg how that's scummy iyo cause like
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town dont narrate their every action as it happens most of the time
8:02 p.m.
@WaNObI u didnt answer: have you legit never randed scum before?
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Stett
*as in, since when was i back on the table for u
it was sense earlier but i town you way more than fresh your my go to town voice of reason at the moment , for fresh i keep the posibilities of town but statistically in mind the possibilitie in that pairing has a 75% mafia being fresh for me
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Stett
as in you've never randed scum ever?
i did play scum before but on nothing that is recorded and they didnt archive games so i dont have records it was a on a server hosted by friends thats where i met kirigiri and she invited me here
8:03 p.m.
welp :wowee:
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Stett
as in you've never randed scum ever?
my best thing i could tell you is ask hurricane he knows me from there
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lmfao i cant ask a rando for meta on you midgame that's giga ogi
8:05 p.m.
@aquamxrinee who'd your vote tommorow if wanobi flips town
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genuinely curious to hear u explain me bussing celestia
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Stett
@aquamxrinee who'd your vote tommorow if wanobi flips town
celestia
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then why not vote celestia first
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DoggoLost
genuinely curious to hear u explain me bussing celestia
i don’t think it is
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Stett
then why not vote celestia first
i lean more scum on wanobi
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Stett
so if you're a town
my reasoning for this is they are gonna keep using me the more u delay it the more they utilize it more i dont see a world where i come from how sus i look and i cant blame you i can see everyones points of you i fucked up but i am town so honestly if you are not in a point where we can identify a maf get the best other senario which is to get red of the most sus which is me , i aint throwing game just telling you i am willing to sacrifice to help town if need be
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WaNObI
my reasoning for this is they are gonna keep using me the more u delay it the more they utilize it more i dont see a world where i come from how sus i look and i cant blame you i can see everyones points of you i fucked up but i am town so honestly if you are not in a point where we can identify a maf get the best other senario which is to get red of the most sus which is me , i aint throwing game just telling you i am willing to sacrifice to help town if need be
and if we misvote today it's literal cylo so every single town has to vote together or we lose.
8:06 p.m.
so lets say fresh/me is somehow v/v
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we get to tommorow
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he snapvotes me
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3 maf pile on, maj, gg
8:07 p.m.
sacrifical lamb card don't work here when a single misvote ends the game
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we need to find a mafia today
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replying only to have a bookmark when i follow fresh's links
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Stett
then why not vote ernie w/ me?
with his most recent responses i am honestly thinking of doing it
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:wowee: but im doubting it again tho
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Stett
then why not vote celestia?
i am looking at all options btw i was moving down while reading thus why i am replying now give a me a minute i will be with you sooon
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@DoggoLost what happened to the pairing exercise?
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i am still backreading stett
8:09 p.m.
aight
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i have filled it in a bit but honestly i still have it p bblank'
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here's wut i have so far
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struggling to find more but still have a lot of backreading to do
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Ernie
Earnie
really sorry if i misspelled bro didnt mean no disrespect with it 🤍
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Ernie
I've been trying to be more active I can be tomorrow cause I'll have no school or anything but they're using the fact I'm inactive as a reason to vote me which I do get now but I still think is stupid
i am with you so i know its hard but can you iso each player and give us your pov ?
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replying again purely for bookmark
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Stett
@aquamxrinee who'd your vote tommorow if wanobi flips town
ohh please do answer this @aquamxrinee
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i did
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celestia
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message could not be loaded the bane of my existence...
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Stett
sacrifical lamb card don't work here when a single misvote ends the game
we still would have four to 3 but i guess it will be 3 to 2 then so it will be crit unless u get to mafia in a row
8:15 p.m.
but one of them is gonna be also confirmed town so you have a 50/50 of throwing out mafia
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Stett
we need to find a mafia today
i am with you on this
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we all are
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WaNObI
really sorry if i misspelled bro didnt mean no disrespect with it 🤍
Nah its fine its just funny cause its mispelled the same way in every server I'm in
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WaNObI
i am with you so i know its hard but can you iso each player and give us your pov ?
Okay bet
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FreshSpice
there is a mafia in aqua and celestia, i’m leaning towards a celestia team, cause they are kinda 2 players that made slight scum slips, and i don’t like their interaction and their reads on each other feel awkward and unnatural to me. like im reading d2 celestia and its like she is trying to bring whatever reason there is to even say that wanobi could be mafia Like she says this and then takes it back and says she is stretching, like if that’s ur opinion why u taking it back? 💀 it kinda feels like ur scared of seeming unnatural one two three <— on a micro level this makes think they might not be paired but, macro reads > micro reads so idc four “well it has to be wanobi”… how does it have to be wanobi? why him? why does it feel like u are trying to throw dirt on him?
replying again for another scroll bookmark. but fresh's overall tone shift is noted.
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Ernie
Okay bet
looking forward to it man , and i will be here cause i just woke up so take your time with it ,excited to see your analysis bloblilikoi
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Stett
message could not be loaded the bane of my existence...
i know honestly dogo had mentioned something to me too but i cant pinpoint the message @DoggoLost did u find the original message u mentioned or can u send me a link so i can find it
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FreshSpice
right now this is where i am at: Town Lean: aqua (yes i don’t town read her anymore, cause i didn’t like her EOD and post EOD) ernie Null: Stett (playing overall pro town, but idk how well it makes sense to fit her outside my poe) doggo (he is playing way more towny now than before and far from as sus eod as others) Scum Lean: Wanobi Scum Read: Celestia (idc if this feels like a big jump [null slot to scum read], but the fact that all of a sudden there is a consensus on both wagons being v/v when it logically doesn’t look like that pings me with every other thing i just pointed out)
ernie in townlean seems like a hot take
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FreshSpice
right now this is where i am at: Town Lean: aqua (yes i don’t town read her anymore, cause i didn’t like her EOD and post EOD) ernie Null: Stett (playing overall pro town, but idk how well it makes sense to fit her outside my poe) doggo (he is playing way more towny now than before and far from as sus eod as others) Scum Lean: Wanobi Scum Read: Celestia (idc if this feels like a big jump [null slot to scum read], but the fact that all of a sudden there is a consensus on both wagons being v/v when it logically doesn’t look like that pings me with every other thing i just pointed out)
agree with u on celestia logic tho
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FreshSpice
cause the vote EOD1 was not v/v which makes me more confident, and for me if wanobi is town i can still see celestia being mafia, but if celestia is mafia, wanobi could go both ways, and people may think me saying this means that it’s basically almost the same which is not, cause it’s easier to pair celestia up with almost anyone, but it is not easy to pair up wanobi with anyone (just based on the pure dynamics of the game)
ngl trying to read all of these mountainously long posts from fresh is starting to fry my mind, content overloaded
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FreshSpice
ernie and celestia are clearly unpaired
can u explain this one a bit more, not sure i agree
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Xiafather
even if he is scum, for me it just means another gamble
hrrrmmmm chewing on this
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aquamxrinee
doggo rn is the most inno of the 4, which points towards you/celestia/ernie
when did you pivot from echoing me and claiming that wagond were v/v ?
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Stett
when did you pivot from echoing me and claiming that wagond were v/v ?
because i felt maf voted both candidates
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which is also something i said and you echoed.
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that to me makes me think vv
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but you then townread celestia all of last night
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and shaded fresh
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WaNObI
i am with you so i know its hard but can you iso each player and give us your pov ?
Stett: Stett is pushing alot but I think some of the reads are good but she makes some useless ones, probably town, also seems experienced Aqua: Aqua reminds me of stett for some reason but just less, I think that if I saw more of Aqua I could get a better read but gut wise there's something about her that i can't tell Dr fresh: I don't have alot of reads on him as we haven't talked alot, based on the little I've seen I have no idea Celestia: I find Celestia weird but not in a rude way just weird she seems like she tries to seem smart but she says something and hopes it's smart, and she pushes the same stuff and hopes for different answers possibility for town and mafia I'm thinking mafia Doggo: Seems like he's trying but not making much difference, I think it seems like he got beaten up and is trying to recover from the injuries and is trying to attack at the same time (metaphor) Wanobi: Seems somewhat inquisitive, although isn't defending super well, does seem to be a team player, which is making me think town Xia: Town
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but when fresh got active again
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you started appealing to him
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and putting celestia bacck on your team
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like i said i tend to be influenced by activity
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the only read im confident on is wanobi being maf
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aquamxrinee
the only read im confident on is wanobi being maf
would you stake your life (in game) on it?
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Stett
would you stake your life (in game) on it?
probably
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so what happens if i put wanobi at 4 rn, someone hammers, and he flips town?
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then we r so cooked
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I think he's town
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it’s gotta be celestia, wanobi or both
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that im 100% confident
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Stett
why
im thinking in terms of pairing
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there has to be a maf in wanobi/celestia
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Stett
why
You talking to me or Aqua?
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Ernie
You talking to me or Aqua?
feel free to answer why u tr him tho
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well stett
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Ernie
Stett: Stett is pushing alot but I think some of the reads are good but she makes some useless ones, probably town, also seems experienced Aqua: Aqua reminds me of stett for some reason but just less, I think that if I saw more of Aqua I could get a better read but gut wise there's something about her that i can't tell Dr fresh: I don't have alot of reads on him as we haven't talked alot, based on the little I've seen I have no idea Celestia: I find Celestia weird but not in a rude way just weird she seems like she tries to seem smart but she says something and hopes it's smart, and she pushes the same stuff and hopes for different answers possibility for town and mafia I'm thinking mafia Doggo: Seems like he's trying but not making much difference, I think it seems like he got beaten up and is trying to recover from the injuries and is trying to attack at the same time (metaphor) Wanobi: Seems somewhat inquisitive, although isn't defending super well, does seem to be a team player, which is making me think town Xia: Town
I answered here at the bottom
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what if we hammer wanobi and he’s scum
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then sick
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will u tr me a little more
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well obvi
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you/wanobi arent w/w
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aquamxrinee
that im 100% confident
forget me i wouldnt ask you about it cause i know what u think of that , but please just give me an analysis of why celestia , i am not defending i am just over the flipping all over the place cause you both where saying both of you are town start of the day so what eveolved sense then , or is it cause your talking to me ernie and stett now , when fresh comes back in she is town , you said i dont give you any reasoning but i havent seen reasoning from you either , i am not trying to attack you just please give me something that explains the 100% confident
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assume it’s wanobi. who would u think r last 2
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aquamxrinee
i just….i don’t see that if you really thought she was maf
still backreading, but i want to pause for a bit and just say at this point in backreading, my reads are as follows: tl: stett - seems to have good questions, is analyzing things hard null: fresh (analyzing hard but seems frazzled) aqua (disagree with some of their actions around/after eod, but slight sl: ernie (absent, not trying, not a lot to read or judge) sl: wanobi (reasoning kinda weird sometimes, pocket attempts from day 1 seem more believable, their thoughts on xia from d1 seem weird) s: celestia (same inconsistency case i had against them from day 1, and still seeing it here in day 2) if these change when i finish backreading i will let u know.
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im just trying to figure out if you can be v/v
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WaNObI
forget me i wouldnt ask you about it cause i know what u think of that , but please just give me an analysis of why celestia , i am not defending i am just over the flipping all over the place cause you both where saying both of you are town start of the day so what eveolved sense then , or is it cause your talking to me ernie and stett now , when fresh comes back in she is town , you said i dont give you any reasoning but i havent seen reasoning from you either , i am not trying to attack you just please give me something that explains the 100% confident
i don’t think it’s stett or fresh. process of elim
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im just trying to figure out if you can be v/v
fair
8:40 p.m.
if i don’t think it’s fresh or stett, that leaves 4 people with 3 goin
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goon
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aquamxrinee
i don’t think it’s stett or fresh. process of elim
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DoggoLost
still backreading, but i want to pause for a bit and just say at this point in backreading, my reads are as follows: tl: stett - seems to have good questions, is analyzing things hard null: fresh (analyzing hard but seems frazzled) aqua (disagree with some of their actions around/after eod, but slight sl: ernie (absent, not trying, not a lot to read or judge) sl: wanobi (reasoning kinda weird sometimes, pocket attempts from day 1 seem more believable, their thoughts on xia from d1 seem weird) s: celestia (same inconsistency case i had against them from day 1, and still seeing it here in day 2) if these change when i finish backreading i will let u know.
Why do people keep coming with the same thing, I'm trying more
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meaning u and celestia have to be ww or wv
8:40 p.m.
i’ve explained my tr for fresh and stett plenty of times
8:41 p.m.
im sick of repeating the same stuff
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ngl
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it’s annoying
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DoggoLost
still backreading, but i want to pause for a bit and just say at this point in backreading, my reads are as follows: tl: stett - seems to have good questions, is analyzing things hard null: fresh (analyzing hard but seems frazzled) aqua (disagree with some of their actions around/after eod, but slight sl: ernie (absent, not trying, not a lot to read or judge) sl: wanobi (reasoning kinda weird sometimes, pocket attempts from day 1 seem more believable, their thoughts on xia from d1 seem weird) s: celestia (same inconsistency case i had against them from day 1, and still seeing it here in day 2) if these change when i finish backreading i will let u know.
thanks for update
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aquamxrinee
if i don’t think it’s fresh or stett, that leaves 4 people with 3 goin
and that how your 100% confident
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https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1304140515607838802 linking this just for a bookmark to look at the current red pings i have, also linking prolly is a better bookmark than a random reply to a message i guess
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WaNObI
and that how your 100% confident
yes even if i didn’t count fresh stett out. the pairings i have make it impossible for u and celestia to be vv
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aquamxrinee
yes even if i didn’t count fresh stett out. the pairings i have make it impossible for u and celestia to be vv
ok cool and your leaning the w towards me is that why you towned her sd2 ?
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yeah
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Start of day2*
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but i think u could be ww
8:43 p.m.
the only possible combo i have in which ur vv is if its ernie fresh doggo
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but i dont see that world
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aquamxrinee
the only possible combo i have in which ur vv is if its ernie fresh doggo
What does vv and ww mean again?
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village village and wolf wolf
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Ernie
Why do people keep coming with the same thing, I'm trying more
he is reading back didnt see anything new bro
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Ernie
What does vv and ww mean again?
wolf and vanilla town i assume
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WaNObI
he is reading back didnt see anything new bro
Ok
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or vilage
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Ernie
Stett: Stett is pushing alot but I think some of the reads are good but she makes some useless ones, probably town, also seems experienced Aqua: Aqua reminds me of stett for some reason but just less, I think that if I saw more of Aqua I could get a better read but gut wise there's something about her that i can't tell Dr fresh: I don't have alot of reads on him as we haven't talked alot, based on the little I've seen I have no idea Celestia: I find Celestia weird but not in a rude way just weird she seems like she tries to seem smart but she says something and hopes it's smart, and she pushes the same stuff and hopes for different answers possibility for town and mafia I'm thinking mafia Doggo: Seems like he's trying but not making much difference, I think it seems like he got beaten up and is trying to recover from the injuries and is trying to attack at the same time (metaphor) Wanobi: Seems somewhat inquisitive, although isn't defending super well, does seem to be a team player, which is making me think town Xia: Town
is this from your interactions in general across today or also from how they have been completly playing through the day if i may ask ?
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WaNObI
is this from your interactions in general across today or also from how they have been completly playing through the day if i may ask ?
Interactions mostly and occasionally from what I've seen but mostly interactions
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hm.
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hm.
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Seems like me and wanobi are the wagons for today
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kinda confused by this
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DoggoLost
kinda confused by this
It's agendad
8:58 p.m.
He thinks me and aqua are w/w
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Stett
hm.
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DoggoLost
kinda confused by this
i can explain just give me what your curious about
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im double checking something in archives rq
8:59 p.m.
and afte that
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i might make a vote
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is this actually a thing
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that might annoy a lot of yall
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Ernie
Interactions mostly and occasionally from what I've seen but mostly interactions
ok cool thanks
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DoggoLost
is this actually a thing
paranoid of gettin caught
9:00 p.m.
idk what’s more likely wanobi maf or celestia maf
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WaNObI
i can explain just give me what your curious about
i find it weird that town woud want to fall on the sword here. that puts us in lylo, right?
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ye
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aquamxrinee
paranoid of gettin caught
ah that makes sense
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DoggoLost
i find it weird that town woud want to fall on the sword here. that puts us in lylo, right?
i am saying it a last resort if you cant find confident mafia then at least reduce sus i also explained it more here https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1302258582296727613/1304250491559215124
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all of wanobis posts are either super scummy or super towny (mostly scummy but there’s some) and it’s really throwing me off
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Fair, I can be inconsistent mostly at night, I do want to admit that the chat is only active at 4 AM for me, and I just woke up during that time so I can explain my inconsistencies.
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aquamxrinee
idk what’s more likely wanobi maf or celestia maf
Okay can you like give me reasons why you still suspected me? Like I know you just follow public opinions but I just wanna hear your thoughts
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Celestia
Fair, I can be inconsistent mostly at night, I do want to admit that the chat is only active at 4 AM for me, and I just woke up during that time so I can explain my inconsistencies.
ah that's probably the thing that makes the most sense out of everything i've hear from u
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I'm going to sleep see yall
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Celestia
Okay can you like give me reasons why you still suspected me? Like I know you just follow public opinions but I just wanna hear your thoughts
you’re inconsistent in ur speech, also g81
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but being confused due to day cycle/times can happen as either alignment. idk how much to weigh it, but it's something
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aquamxrinee
you’re inconsistent in ur speech, also g81
81 is a newcomer game and I was really prepared for that game except here
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ernie wait
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DoggoLost
ernie wait
Yo
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before u go i wanna talk to u live
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DoggoLost
before u go i wanna talk to u live
In vc?
9:04 p.m.
In 2 am bro
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Ernie was kinda right about me, like I'm talking Thinking that it would sound smart
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who are ur biggest too susses
9:04 p.m.
no, live chat not vc, we are not allowed to vc
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*two
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DoggoLost
who are ur biggest too susses
Celestia and aqua but only have a strong one on Celestia aqua is just gut
9:05 p.m.
I explained all my reads earlier
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You should've read it
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the only weird thing about celestia is that we all agree she’s sus
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alright i will find them as i continue to backread
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i feel like scum wouldn’t bus here
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DoggoLost
alright i will find them as i continue to backread
Celestia already did and that was before she turned up
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would they?
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aquamxrinee
would they?
good question
9:06 p.m.
if they felt doomed they might, i don;t think a bus is 100% out of the realm
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Ernie
Celestia and aqua but only have a strong one on Celestia aqua is just gut
You and Wanobi have the same suspects
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bro i just got shudders from thinking about the fact that goon got a whole ass chat
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Celestia
You and Wanobi have the same suspects
Smart guy then
9:06 p.m.
Is there anything else before I sleep?
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Ernie
Smart guy then
Alright but what are your thoughts of Wanobi?
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well if wanobi and ernie are w/w or v/v then celestia is their opposite alignment here tbh
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who wants to hear the reason?
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promise to be online more tomorrow ernie
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me
9:07 p.m.
just because
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#co19-q2-infovote
9:07 p.m.
Comfycatsip
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DoggoLost
promise to be online more tomorrow ernie
Bro I have been quite abit today
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doggo was one of my null/slightly sl so im curious
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Stett
#co19-q2-infovote
Oh you voted for doggo?
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ah if u have then i will catch up t it in my backreading soon, sorry
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doggo just double hit us with my fave scumtell
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doggo celestia wanobi possible maf team
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Stett
doggo just double hit us with my fave scumtell
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what’s the scum tell
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DoggoLost
can you give me the cliffs on ur wanobi vote?
this
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aquamxrinee
doggo celestia wanobi possible maf team
Huhhhh
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Celestia
Alright but what are your thoughts of Wanobi?
I gave my thoughts earlier I'm sure you've read, he seems interested but bad at defending himself, hence going to a last ditch effort for no reason imo, desperate but town
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This really doesn't make sense
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what were final votes
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DoggoLost
but can anyone summarize the arguments against wanobi and pin them for me when i am back later?
and this
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how do i get that
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Ernie
I gave my thoughts earlier I'm sure you've read, he seems interested but bad at defending himself, hence going to a last ditch effort for no reason imo, desperate but town
Is that all?
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so the question "why is x a wagon"
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Stett
and this
oh that's it?
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is almost always a scum question
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the second one is a bit sus
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Celestia
Is that all?
We both know I haven't been that active bro
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when its forumatled towards a general group
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i don't see how that's scummy but u can do u
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Ernie
We both know I haven't been that active bro
For now
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lemme go get my explanation
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Ernie
We both know I haven't been that active bro
Alright
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tbh if i don’t feel like going through arguments or smth i just won’t read them and hope i missed ntn important 💀
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i was asking for cliffs to just get multiple comparison points
9:10 p.m.
and I also asked for them like wut 4 hours ago
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I'm sleeping now anything else?
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Nothing?
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Good
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so if u wanted to sus me for asking them, u had plenty of time to do so before rn
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aquamxrinee
tbh if i don’t feel like going through arguments or smth i just won’t read them and hope i missed ntn important 💀
Apparently since some people think we're a team we should just ally each other
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anyway i have more reading to do
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this is a broad explanation
9:11 p.m.
but
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Stett
this is a broad explanation
Ice c
9:12 p.m.
Well that happens sometimes
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"summarize why x is a wagon" or "why is x a vote" or "why are we voting x" is a way to look like you're trying to understand chat direction and game direction, and a way to try to demonstrate curiosity, while not really caring
9:12 p.m.
90% of the time a wolf asks it about a wagon on town
9:12 p.m.
b/c they're trying to figure out if the wagon is stable and safe to vote on
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Stett
"summarize why x is a wagon" or "why is x a vote" or "why are we voting x" is a way to look like you're trying to understand chat direction and game direction, and a way to try to demonstrate curiosity, while not really caring
Did anyone did this to me? Or is it only wanobi?
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Stett
this is a broad explanation
i feel like this is entirely semantic. questioning why a wagon is a wagon and looking for a reason go hand in hand
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or if its some quick reactionary thing and they cant justify joining the vote
9:13 p.m.
nope.
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DoggoLost
i feel like this is entirely semantic. questioning why a wagon is a wagon and looking for a reason go hand in hand
b/c you didnt ask
9:13 p.m.
"aqua why are you voting wanobi"
9:13 p.m.
or "xia, why is wanobi the most sus to you"
9:13 p.m.
you asked
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i mean i have asked elsewhere xia her thoughts
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DoggoLost
but can anyone summarize the arguments against wanobi and pin them for me when i am back later?
can anyone summarize the arguments against wanobi and pin them for me when i am back later?
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like i was about to get into my car bro
9:14 p.m.
this is silly
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Stett
can anyone summarize the arguments against wanobi and pin them for me when i am back later?
Is he planning to defend him
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thats not my point at all
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Celestia
Is he planning to defend him
does it look like i am defending him at all?
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DoggoLost
does it look like i am defending him at all?
"Planning"
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my point is, i think doggo is probs a wolf and wanobi might be town off that
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Celestia
"Planning"
don't see the basis of a plan either
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DoggoLost
don't see the basis of a plan either
You're sorta implying
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Stett
my point is, i think doggo is probs a wolf and wanobi might be town off that
that's more than a stretch
9:16 p.m.
oops that was to go to celestia
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instead of doggo taking the initiative to go dig into the people voting wanobi to understand their reasoning, or to directly question them, he asked a generalized q about why the vote was a vote
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Stett
my point is, i think doggo is probs a wolf and wanobi might be town off that
What makes wanobi town?
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Stett
instead of doggo taking the initiative to go dig into the people voting wanobi to understand their reasoning, or to directly question them, he asked a generalized q about why the vote was a vote
because i didn't have the time to dig. and i have dug since/am digging now
9:16 p.m.
i was checking after work about to drive
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which removes the burden from effort on him, and excuses him from having to push it more if people ignore it
9:17 p.m.
it was trying to see developments, acknowledge i would have time later, and to create post counts so i wouldnh't get prodded
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i have neverbeen prodded before and don't want to start in a tour
9:18 p.m.
take a guess what alignment celestia was
9:18 p.m.
and take a guess what alignment bocaj was
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find me doing it in my scum game then
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aight, what are your sscum games?
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Stett
and take a guess what alignment bocaj was
Ohhhh
9:18 p.m.
I ccccc
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ne... 70something
9:19 p.m.
looking for it now
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-_- time to go dig through archived PLs ig
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#ne75-chat
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DoggoLost
#ne75-chat
👍
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have fun
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but also: bit of a fallacy. im saying this type of question is a scumtell, not that all scum say it every game
9:21 p.m.
but having the comparison will be helpful either way
9:21 p.m.
Sip
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i mean u can't convince me that i am not town
9:21 p.m.
but good luck with that
9:22 p.m.
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I haven't see anything similar to what happened to my 81 game
9:23 p.m.
This is the only close
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ok well so far you asked people for links to other games so no longer getting towncred for that q 💀
9:28 p.m.
oh u linked it already
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not quite the same thing but similar flavor
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#ne74-chat you are so tonally dif in tho
9:28 p.m.
like
9:29 p.m.
way more pushy and investigative
9:31 p.m.
Hmmge
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DoggoLost
can you give me the cliffs on ur wanobi vote?
bumping this as well, if i've reached here i'm also getting close to being caught up with reading
9:33 p.m.
u do ask for cliffs elsewhere as town tho
9:33 p.m.
but thats not about a vote
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yeah
9:34 p.m.
i started using that phrase after seeing it in a mafia alignment meme image
9:35 p.m.
it was the one that groups different mafia players along an authoritatian/libertarian and liberal/conservative axis
9:35 p.m.
not sure if u've seen it
9:39 p.m.
maybe its just time to turn my brain off and iso everyone again gg
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Stett
#ne74-chat you are so tonally dif in tho
ne74 was my very first game
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DoggoLost
but it sounds like it will be part of an important discussion once i am caught up
guess it was less important than i first thought. ernie's content was still really low. hrmm.
9:53 p.m.
think i am pretty much caught up with backreading
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what are your gut reavtions?
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seems like we have a lot of europe players, chat is so dead now
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Stett
what are your gut reavtions?
pretty much same as my readlist i posted earlier. most sus of celestia, then wanobi and ernie.
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curious how your unpairing goes then tbh
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my chart is same as when i last posted it as well
9:56 p.m.
i don't like how much white space i have
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do you think celestia and ernie can be w/w?
9:57 p.m.
if so, why?
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i feel like i don't like to eliminate possibilities until either it's ridiculously unlikley or until later days when i can see tone shifts better. so yes, i do think celestia/ernie world is probable. ernie wasn't a real wagon at eod, so there's less wagonomics to read into ernie.
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but
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celestia was a wagon at eod
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yeah
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and i told ernie if he tied the vote
10:00 p.m.
id swap to celestia
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and he said aight
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and tied on celestia
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and i was about to swap
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hmmm
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when aqua flipped onto xia
10:01 p.m.
and then wanobi moved onto xia
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yeah the aqua movement though i feel like makes that harder to read
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so if i voted celestia it woulda tied
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DoggoLost
yeah the aqua movement though i feel like makes that harder to read
i mean not really imo
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there was movement in multiple directions
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b/c from ernie pov: by tying it on celestia i was going to then vote her
10:02 p.m.
after he voted
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aqua quick swapped
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so if anything that would only mean ernie/celestia is w/w if w/w/w with aqua
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cause fresh was afk
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i think tomorrow i want to really pressure ernie on his mental about his vote
10:03 p.m.
anyway, i am needed elsewhere rn
10:04 p.m.
i need a good parting gif though
10:04 p.m.
shiba wave is always a classic
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i might nap and then just iso dig
10:06 p.m.
@Celestia where's your head at?
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Stett
@Celestia where's your head at?
why th vote on me
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Stett
@Celestia where's your head at?
I have a theory
10:16 p.m.
I'll explain later since I feel like I need to wrap this up
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aquamxrinee
why th vote on me
b/c im losing my mind a bit and i dont really understand your push on wanobi at all
11:09 p.m.
11:10 p.m.
@WaNObI why did you keep unvoting after i did?
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@WaNObI why did you keep unvoting after i did?
i wanted to bench the view on aqua marine and check into other views , after reading into celes and her interaction with fresh or the analysis of fresh of that interaction and also the vibe of her day 2 play compared to day one i was like i feel there is scumminess , but i came back here and while i was occupied i read your theory about dogo , which got me to think there might be a point where ernie dogo and aqua where all at the same team , and aqua identified them as scummy so i wanted to look more into it so i removed my vote cause i feel like there is more to this , but i am not sure
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Hmmge
this vote was a reaction to what u brought up where ernie could have tied the vote toward xia or even tipped the scale , i dont like snipy moments so i wanted to make sure they can do that but i never felt less sus about xia across the whole time , and my last remove of the vote was to privent a snipe by being last vote thinking it would be the same but then remembered it doesnt matter and just a coin flip cause your vote wont count if you are still voting in terms of that mech
11:19 p.m.
hope this answers my thought process
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WaNObI
i wanted to bench the view on aqua marine and check into other views , after reading into celes and her interaction with fresh or the analysis of fresh of that interaction and also the vibe of her day 2 play compared to day one i was like i feel there is scumminess , but i came back here and while i was occupied i read your theory about dogo , which got me to think there might be a point where ernie dogo and aqua where all at the same team , and aqua identified them as scummy so i wanted to look more into it so i removed my vote cause i feel like there is more to this , but i am not sure
? you weren't pushing aqua d1, wym?
11:34 p.m.
your d1 votes were doggo -> ernie -> xia: and then eod was just unvoting and revoting xia
11:35 p.m.
im not asking about today
11:35 p.m.
im asking about why you kept unvoting d1 when i was indicating i was gonna swap to celestia
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I do feel like things aren't going well in this game since practically almost everyone thinks they're town or most people are town read by other people, maybe with my insights it could help everyone understand my perspective since right now I feel like my life is on the line and being reckless and inconsistent only makes me more suspicious, I feel like I need to just stay away on who's more suspicious because I feel like some of my reasoning could be a stretch to other people or it could be a stretch itself. I admit I feel unconfident and dodgy most of the time for example: “i think it's a stretch idk” and “it's just my thoughts”. I do understand aqua reasoning why they feel like I was noobier in this game, my reads were mostly rushed in hopes to defend myself because 1. It worked before (latest ne game), 2. Afraid of being mislyched again (ex9). So I feel like if I make reads that would automatically make me safe and I could solve the rest but no consistency and logical reasoning matters, which is why Ernie thinks I'm trying to sound smart. The Timing: Most of the chats are mostly online at 4 AM, which I noticed the patterns here so most players are probably western, it's hard to be consistent when you just woke up, I can also back this up considering that I just replied to fresh being heavy on wanobi then immediately forgetting that fresh was being heavy on wanobi when I suspected fresh could be wanobi pair, so there's that. Day 1, I claimed to have been busy yes but it's also because of the chat timing, like I said before it is only active at 4 AM, and it us hard for me to communicate, after I was less busy I had to back read again but I rushly made my reads so most people find it redundant.
11:40 p.m.
Also why haven't they realized that I actually derp on the first day? I did read the rules but only the available roles in the game which explains why I said that line. First of all I wanted to be seen as helpful, and second of all I didn't back read that time, after saying that the chat wasn't active so I immediately dip because during that time I was busy. If being honest can get me killed or be suspicious then there has to be an agenda amongst the players. (Also this was my first day learning what derp actually means so there's that). Let me be straightforward. Doggy, Ernie, Wanobi, Aqua, Xia, Drfresh, and Stett. Almost all of these people suspected or partially suspected me.
11:40 p.m.
Doggy Reasons: I was inconsistent every time I suspected a player and my reasonings were kinda off, and he compared my latest game to my current game and that this game I was more harsher and less casual. I have a reason for this. Once I checked all the players here I assumed that most of these players here are experts or like veteran so I had to changed my game, 81 First day was me trolling until I had to change my pace because I got verbally warned, the chats there weren't the same compared to this game, of course I had small reads because there was smaller conversations but in this game most messages are literal paragraphs. “can go into more detail if needed, but i feel like compared to ne81, celestia here had a harsher/less casual opening, her reads there felt more clear / she has longer posts here that don't add a ton more info. and i find it weird that in an early activity read list she put me in the active category when i wasn't very active, but then later accuses me of not backreading and implying i was faking it and not active. just felt inconsistent.” This was when almost everyone town read me so doggy had to play the devil's advocate. One of my biggest weaknesses is that I tend to jump on conclusions using inductive reasoning from specific observations, I just wanna say that most of my opinions day 1 are disregarded or I no longer agree with, like I said before I'm using discord as if I'm actually experiencing it so all my messages are my thought process or genuine.
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holyyyyy wall
11:41 p.m.
alright
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Despite having read I was still suspected by doggo and Aqua immediately followed through so both voted me and that is how the Celestia wagon started, almost everyone is now starting to doubt me. That time I had a suspicion on doggo and Aqua, so I had to find reasons on why they did that? And if they're aligned to each other, that is why Day 1: I suspected Doggo/Aqua, despite having town read Aqua I was very much 50/50 about her. Aqua: What I don't like about her behavior is that Day 1: She thinks that people who are genuine and nice are immediately in town for example: Wanobi, and then suddenly on day 2 she started to switch up and suspected wanobi. I do get why, she did admit that she only follows public opinions and never really had an opinion to herself. Day 1: I had to play the devil's advocate because everyone thinks Aqua town so I had to pressure her for and Aqua thinks it's an attack.
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@Ernie @DoggoLost @FreshSpice u have hammer if you're a wolf
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Since we're basically comparing games, I'm going to compare her to yumi (which is one of the scums in my latest Ne game), both her and yumi psychological wise have the same exact mindset, following public opinions, seems to panic, and prone to mistakes. Aqua shady end of day made me think she's town but after looking at it she might be even more scum leaning. Yumi reasoning why she isn't mafia is because she was mafia before the reroll so she can't be mafia now and that she acts different if shes mafia, Aqua reasoning on why she can't be mafia is because she is confidently wrong as town and confidently right as mafia, which is quite an iffy reason and is more subjective. Of course both have different reasons but it has the same flavor, it's subjective opinion on how they act as mafia. Wanobi lashing: I hate to admit but I do get he's paranoia, even stett thinks that me and Aqua could be both w/w but I really hate when hes using appeal to emotion just to make him look innocent, and the way he made a conclusion that me and aqua chatted in mafia server is quite agendad or perhaps giving town an idea that me and aqua are actually paired, which Is not the case. I've already provided reasoning on why me and aqua can't be paired, and our genuine fight that happened during day 1, of course Wanobi can't be persuaded and always keep he's guts. Despite on he's defense it's quite lacking and is mostly built on anger and mockery instead of logical and calm, i get the frustration but you're only making yourself look like scum that is why Aqua was so certain that Wanobi is scum.
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@Ernie @DoggoLost @FreshSpice u have hammer if you're a wolf
nvrmind im a coward and it didnt look right
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So if wanobi isn't the scum then I might have to suspect aqua
11:47 p.m.
so either: all women are town gg women, and all mafia are in fresh/ernie/doggo/wanobi
11:48 p.m.
or wanobi is town, and theres a wolf in aqua/celestia
11:49 p.m.
wanobi is never w/w with aqua
11:49 p.m.
i dont rlly think wanobi/fresh/doggo is ever a team
11:51 p.m.
wanobi could be w/w with celestia
11:51 p.m.
and they're just prepping to distance
11:51 p.m.
but irk who a third wolf is in that world
11:51 p.m.
not ernie
11:51 p.m.
not aqua
11:52 p.m.
not doggo
11:52 p.m.
so it would like
11:52 p.m.
have to be fresh or something
11:52 p.m.
or that team doesnt work
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I still have other more thoughts and wall text but here's half
11:52 p.m.
I just need to be sure on the rest to avoid inconsistencies
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Celestia
I just need to be sure on the rest to avoid inconsistencies
5upCry do u not realize how wolfy it sounds to say that lol
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Stett
5upCry do u not realize how wolfy it sounds to say that lol
No because apparently doggo thinks I'm inconsistent
11:54 p.m.
Honestly I just need an accurate timeline, because right now fresh could be paired with anyone
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Stett
5upCry do u not realize how wolfy it sounds to say that lol
What's your thoughts of fresh?
11:57 p.m.
I feel like we need to stop towning people just because they have walls of text and that includes me
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idfk man lol
11:57 p.m.
fresh has some really good thoughts
11:57 p.m.
and he's putting in a lot of work
11:58 p.m.
but a lot of his poking of me felt explicitly uncharitable
11:58 p.m.
but town can be uncharitable all the time
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I feel like if we use my reasoning that argument = unpaired then we should only count day 1 because that is when pairing wasn't even a thought so I think most arguments there were genuine
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i just dont get why fresh went from: "ernie can be scum but i dont want him to be the confirm" d1 to, "ernie is town and i will never vote him" d2
11:59 p.m.
like wut lol
11:59 p.m.
are we reading the same person?
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Stett
i just dont get why fresh went from: "ernie can be scum but i dont want him to be the confirm" d1 to, "ernie is town and i will never vote him" d2
Voting ernie day 1 is logical for me, most people think it would be useless but
12:00 a.m.
He's the thing
12:00 a.m.
Ernie acts the same as mafia and town
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how much experience do you have with him?
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I regret voting for xia despite her using appeal to emotion i feel like deep down there was some towniness
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Stett
how much experience do you have with him?
I played with him on deck mafia
12:01 a.m.
My signal sucks rn
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if team was ernie/fresh
12:02 a.m.
who could be a 3rd
12:03 a.m.
wanobi doesnt really work
12:03 a.m.
you dont work
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Stett
wanobi doesnt really work
Aqua
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aqua doesnt make sense
12:03 a.m.
ernie's literal only scum push has been aqua
12:03 a.m.
and you
12:03 a.m.
a bit
12:03 a.m.
ig maybe doggo?
12:04 a.m.
but i dont see how doggo makes sense with fresh
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Possibly
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Stett
but i dont see how doggo makes sense with fresh
Maybe they're not associative to avoid suspicion
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Stett
? you weren't pushing aqua d1, wym?
me voting aqua today was the first unvote and then switch to celestia not d1 , the later half is on what happened yesterday
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Celestia
Maybe they're not associative to avoid suspicion
no like
12:06 a.m.
fresh got annoyed with me for blocking his doggo push
12:06 a.m.
we already talked about this
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this post is about what happened around eod yesterday
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lemme go reread it idk
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So far doggo doesn't have opinions on fresh because making reads = automatic town
12:06 a.m.
I can't wrap my head around this the only possibility is that doggo and Aqua could be scum
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Stett
fresh got annoyed with me for blocking his doggo push
Okay what made fresh suspect doggo in the first place again?
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Celestia
Okay what made fresh suspect doggo in the first place again?
his SoD was awkward and he launched into backreading the game while giving no insight and mostly responding in memes.
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Stett
his SoD was awkward and he launched into backreading the game while giving no insight and mostly responding in memes.
I did that and Fresh auto town leaned me?
12:09 a.m.
Is it because of my derp? If so then what's fresh sudden switch up and voted for me
12:10 a.m.
Fresh never really suspected aqua from what I observed
12:10 a.m.
Aqua did made a derp early game so like
12:11 a.m.
Well we had already established that derp isn't a way to town read
12:11 a.m.
But so far only two derp
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Stett
ok i think i understand now, gotcha
if you have anything that u feel needs to be clarified let me know
12:20 a.m.
i am going to go through celes wall
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WaNObI
if you have anything that u feel needs to be clarified let me know
why are you vote abstaining ?
12:30 a.m.
polarized
12:30 a.m.
ok that helps
12:30 a.m.
so me, xia, fresh = town
12:30 a.m.
time to work from there
12:34 a.m.
so 2 town, 3 maf in {aqua, celestia, doggo, ernie, wanobi}
12:34 a.m.
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so 2 town, 3 maf in {aqua, celestia, doggo, ernie, wanobi}
Who's your suspects so far?
12:35 a.m.
Stett you never had a clear suspect and most just switching
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Celestia
Stett you never had a clear suspect and most just switching
"stett you've never had a clear suspect"
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Stett
"stett you've never had a clear suspect"
Wanobi, Aqua, me, ernie
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do you mean this as in
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Like who do you sus the most?
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Celestia
Wanobi, Aqua, me, ernie
and you are claiming i haven't hard pushed any of these names?
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Stett
and you are claiming i haven't hard pushed any of these names?
Of course you did but I just wanna see if you have like a clear one?
12:37 a.m.
Like who you suspect the most
12:37 a.m.
Do you*
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no. i don't have one clear blatant obviscum
12:37 a.m.
if i did they would have died d1
12:38 a.m.
it's why im working in worldbuilding, because the closest slot i have to "why tf havent we killed you yet" is ernie, and xia TRs ernie, and fresh TRs ernie, so i need to seriously weigh that
12:39 a.m.
@WaNObI if you happened to self hammer, who is #1 most sus FYPOV, aqua or celestia
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Stett
it's why im working in worldbuilding, because the closest slot i have to "why tf havent we killed you yet" is ernie, and xia TRs ernie, and fresh TRs ernie, so i need to seriously weigh that
What's ernie previous games I need to see it
12:40 a.m.
I only played with him in deck mafia
12:40 a.m.
I want to see he's most active games
12:40 a.m.
Ernie disinterest in the game could be a town read
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If thats the case then it that leaves to Me, Aqua, Wanobi, and Doggo
12:41 a.m.
So far I've been the most suspicious apparently
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that link is ernie's past game, wym
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Aqua/Doggo does
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Stett
that link is ernie's past game, wym
No I meant to just ping you
12:42 a.m.
gotcha
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Wait why is Wanobi so certain that Aqua is 100% mafia?
12:43 a.m.
But not me? When he both suspected us both
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did he say that, or are you just making it up?
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Stett
did he say that, or are you just making it up?
No just search it up
12:43 a.m.
100%
12:44 a.m.
Hmmge
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I need to look for it again I swear I'm not making shit up
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@FreshSpice @WaNObI @Ernie @DoggoLost ill try to check in before work tomorrow, but it kinda just depends on when i wake up. wanobi is at L-1.
12:49 a.m.
Sorry my internet sucks rn
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5upNotes
Also the reason why drfresh paired me with him
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Stett
why are you vote abstaining ?
i am trying to see where everything is evolving and there is alot that was added and i need to reanalyse some stuff take into consideration people level into consideration and how they see the game
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@WaNObI if you happened to self hammer, who is #1 most sus FYPOV, aqua or celestia
aqua has scummy features but also can be generally less experienced at the game so it can explain how she is playing this as town if she is town , but if they are scum then it would explain multiple things taking into account your scum tell on dogo if that is accurate and then ernies vote that could mean three mafia could have been on celes at the time so to me between both one is w and the other can be v and mafia was to a degree on a single person which is crazy , how aqua approached their whole game has a tendency to listen and align with other people available at the time and then is working based on feels to degree but i beleive they slipped in saying i dont wana be with unclear people in the wagon without realising so i am weighing that
1:47 a.m.
i cangive u an answer on that yet but i am liking the new analysis by celes to degree
1:47 a.m.
and i need to read back more
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kirigiri
Start of Day 1
Let's start here in the beginning
2:24 a.m.
Like at the very beginning
2:24 a.m.
I need two teams, one for day 1 and one for day 2
2:25 a.m.
Analyzing every message see if there's anything interesting
2:25 a.m.
Or we might have missed
2:32 a.m.
I might need to iso aqua ans doggo because somethings not adding u0
2:32 a.m.
Up*
2:34 a.m.
I don't think it's ernie
2:35 a.m.
I just I have mixed feelings about this..
2:40 a.m.
I'm disregarding argument = not paired, most likely scum adapted and started to suspect each other
2:40 a.m.
Instead of just searching for pairs search for contradictions and scum tells
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Why searching for pairings may not be the answer: The vibes I get in this game just wasn't it everyone is now suspecting everyone except for fresh and stett, after looking at it these two were mostly town read by everyone and they had a genuine fight day 1. I feel like it's really hard to pull of those actions especially when their fight is a long ass paragraph, doggo and wanobi suspected that fresh/stett are likely paired, just an additional information I want to add. So both fresh and xia townreads ernie due to multiple reasons which they laid out, for me the most logical is ernie disinterest in being a town, and now that I think about its highly probable, I'm speaking this from experience too, besides that if I'm going to compared it to be my latest game then ernie = eggs, both were disinterested and both were the wagons, the difference is that eggs was actually voted off and he was town. When ernie said he isn't town both aqua and stett immediately voted for him, I came and voted for him too then Wanobi voted late. Xia and Fresh townreads ernie, so I would assume there's atleast one or two mafias voted for ernie and the other was abstaining.
3:33 a.m.
Okay so does this prove ernie is town? No but it definitely makes him the most low hanging fruit, but it's kinda hard to align him to anyone especially if everyone suspected him. So almost everyone aligned ernie to everyone because well we already know the reason but if we only use logical evidence than intuition I feel like we could align him using he's suspect list which is both me and aqua, Wanobi has similar suspects and Ernie praises him for that. So I could definitely pair Ernie with Wanobi, it most likely that Wanobi has somehow influenced Ernie because the only reason why me and Aqua were both paired due to the fight, so ernie has been backreading. What I hate about Ernie behavior is that most of his excuses are “well I wasn't here.” “How would I know I was busy.” I mean of course but you have also been backreading right? You think I was trying to sound smart which is infact correct, most of my smartiness came from my reads so I'm assuming you've read my reads too, which highly proves that you've been backreading but never replying.
3:33 a.m.
Wanobi town read Doggo town reads Aqua, Aqua was town reading Wanobi Day 1 due to being genuine, and Doggo town reading Wanobi because he's a team player, I also need to add Doggo bias towards Aqua then immediately started to suspect her after her shady end of day, but in the end he never even tried to pressure Aqua and apparently he's suspect list is still the same! Me, Ernie, and Wanobi. My theory Is that he purposely added a scum member just to get rid of suspicion as he is keeping the other scum, Both doggo and Wanobi town reads each other day 1. The only person who town reads me is Fresh, Stett was abit Nullish towards me, Wanobi never had opinions but Doggo and Aqua does.
3:33 a.m.
Of course this isn't enough to conclude that they're scum especially when the fight happened but like I said before I'm disregarding fights for unpairing except in Day 1 where everything was really genuine. Wanobi certainty that Aqua is 100% wolf, another theory is that once Aqua is hanged he'll take all the credit and it will deem him logical innocent. Another problem with Doggo is he keeps suspecting me for the exact reason even though I had already stated my reasoning, he also claimed that my timezone is the only thing that makes sense, so I'm assuming he finds all my words as nonsense then, despite my reads could atleast help town because I'm actively giving insights. Why hasn't everyone noticed that he's actively pushing me since day 1? He kept asking everyone about him bussing me, fresh doesn't think I'm scum Day 1 so let's take their words seriously since they've been consistent and is technically town read by everyone. Fresh insta town leaning me, Fresh town reading ernie, and Doggo suspects two towns! I'm still not sure about Wanobi. If Doggo reasoning on why he suspects me is being inconsistent then what about Aqua shady actions at the end of the day? Make it make sense, we all know for the fact that you're biased against her but she's certainly inconsistent.
3:41 a.m.
Doggo done, so I'm moving on with Aqua then Wanobi next
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Hi celes
3:56 a.m.
Thanks for the analysis
3:56 a.m.
When you get to me if you have any questions u want answered
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@Stett can you give me Aqua latest games
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Please do ask will try my best (edited)
3:56 a.m.
As i dint have any other games or reference points i can give you
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WaNObI
When you get to me if you have any questions u want answered
Can you give me Reasoning on why you're so certain that Aqua is 100% scum?
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Celestia
@Stett can you give me Aqua latest games
Or previous games
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Celestia
Can you give me Reasoning on why you're so certain that Aqua is 100% scum?
I wasnt at first and yesterday i was really also not in the right mindset cause i was talking with being awake for a long time but non the less that interaction happened , how i am seeing aqua this game is that she is trying to agree with takes based on who is around and to seem friendly to everyone , i towned them first based on the question they said about the structure of how it runs and the mafia chat thing but some patterns came up where they would contradict them selves in terms of being with specific votes then being on complete opposite points based on what someone says , i was like still doesnt mean anything but my most crazy sus happened when they switched because they dont wana be with sus people comment to me that is like you have info that we dont know honestly and you had a sus why switch with out giving reasoning , i asked about the thought process but they just said they are where uncomfortable being on the same vote with dogo and earnie , there was also comments during day 1 in terms of “i am scared of reprecutions of lynching someone and them fliping town and tunneling me “ , we started day two and they are like please dont tunnel and keep an open mind but then switched to throwing sus at me and stating blank comments on why that is with no actual reasoning while critsising that my questions or analysis is not actually explaining my point of view , then suddenly towning you with explaining anything like they didnt spend most of the day voting you the previous day , mean while not a single analysis or reasoning was given to town you all of this screamed mafia to me
4:07 a.m.
But apparently they are so sure they are town and i am scum that now i am just worried they are less experienced and could be genuinely town , but at the same time when if your town and dogo is actually scum like she claimed then she is also confirming to who is around thus why the vote on you but wanted to unpair and slipped
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Most of your reasonings really aligns with mine, like you're reading my mind? 👁
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I dont understand that vote switch reasoning at all
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Celestia
Most of your reasonings really aligns with mine, like you're reading my mind? 👁
That why i removed my vote from you honestly at the end cause i am looking into dogo aqua being on you and flipping
4:09 a.m.
Ernie voting you to me doesnt indicate anything cause earnie is reading the game from how anyone interacted with them so its not at that deep of an understanding
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Thank you for your insights it really gave me a consideration
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Happy to help and also sorry about sleep deprived me yesterday hut honestly i was tilted beyond belief blobnom
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I'll go back and finished my analysis
4:10 a.m.
Despite Ernie inactivity
4:10 a.m.
He's a 50/50 tbh
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Btw i am also still analyzing in regards to you too
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That's fine
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I am a little busy to do it all right now but will let u know once its done
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Cause today i have multiple family functions going sadly laugh_cry
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icl i have a lot to offer stuff to do today, so idk how much time and energy i can put for today
10:03 a.m.
@WaNObI @Celestia @aquamxrinee @DoggoLost @Stett @Ernie @Xiafather hi, can yall tell me how comfortable u are in the current wagon, and for those that aren’t in the current wagon who would u prefer and why are u not voting wanobi
10:03 a.m.
im prob gonna review all my reads over again instead of just reading back 100 times
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im ok with it
10:03 a.m.
im in class rn
10:04 a.m.
i think the votes r really telling
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idk if i should overthink this
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if wanobi flips town im ok with maf winning
10:04 a.m.
there’s just no way
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if wanobi is town i have no fucking clue who could it be
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same
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FUCKKKKK
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what
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fuck it imma do it
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oooo
10:07 a.m.
im scared
10:07 a.m.
but also exicted
10:07 a.m.
cuz i think we got a goon
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jesus christ
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if he’s maf it’s gotta be doggo too
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there won’t be a different wagon
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aquamxrinee
if he’s maf it’s gotta be doggo too
you think?
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yea
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i need to review my doggo reads
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are u gonna do it
10:08 a.m.
pull the trigger?
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CHILL 💀
10:09 a.m.
im like actually shaking right now
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im nervous
10:09 a.m.
there’s no way he is town
10:09 a.m.
no?
10:09 a.m.
if he’s not maf who tf is
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aqua if ur fucking mafia and u don’t that shit start of d1 i’m gonna be disappointed
10:09 a.m.
ngl
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im not
10:09 a.m.
im gonna be disappointed if u are tho
10:09 a.m.
like
10:10 a.m.
soooo fissapointed
10:10 a.m.
i want to go to semis w u and bryce
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brother, i need magnesium
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brother i need to execute a goon
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EOD
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ahhhhhh
10:11 a.m.
did we just catch the 3 goon
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(u can’t talk)
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End of Day 2
10:16 a.m.
Start of Day 3
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WHAT.
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fuck my life
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THE.
10:17 a.m.
FUCK.
10:18 a.m.
fresh u or stett is maf
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im having like one of the worst games in my life and worst part its probably the game im putting the most effort in
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aquamxrinee
fresh u or stett is maf
stett has to be mafia here
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ernie has to be maf
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i swear she has to be
10:18 a.m.
there is no way
10:18 a.m.
stett is like one of the best town players there is
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how many goons were voting fypov
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and this lobby is full of new players
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also what does locked votes mean
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aquamxrinee
how many goons were voting fypov
idfk
10:19 a.m.
like genuinely i don’t fucking know
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so its not just me
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i still feel like ernie is town
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or r u just maf
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i swear i’m not
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that legit like
10:19 a.m.
impossible
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i want to win this more than anyone here
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if u think im town then ernie is conf maf
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how?
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bc
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there are 3 town
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xia inno
10:19 a.m.
u inno
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xia is innocent child
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ik
10:20 a.m.
so
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she counts as 4th town
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celestia
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not 3rd
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doggy
10:20 a.m.
ernie
10:20 a.m.
stett
10:20 a.m.
me
10:20 a.m.
so
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not pushing celestia was so retarded
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3/5 of those maf
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like literally
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if u think im inno
10:20 a.m.
he prob maf
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i feel like insta voting
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celestia has to be maf here
10:20 a.m.
what does locked votes me
10:20 a.m.
mean
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it means u can’t switch ur vote
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ok
10:21 a.m.
well im sure celestia and wanobi were ww or wv so
10:21 a.m.
she gotta be maf
10:21 a.m.
i just dont think its u
10:21 a.m.
but this maf team has to have a skilled player no?
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that’s what i’m thinking but if im wrong i might retire
10:21 a.m.
cause this is 2 years in a row
10:22 a.m.
2 tournaments*
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i should stick to short game
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aquamxrinee
but this maf team has to have a skilled player no?
stett can’t be town
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like im so rolled
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i refuse to believe it
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if she is then wtf
10:22 a.m.
if all 3 of us r town
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im picking between stett doggo and celestia
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im ngl i wanna insta vote and get this over with
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but i feel like if stett was town the game would’ve gone so much easier
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fresh u better not be pocketing
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im not
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@Xiafather lylo time help
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aquamxrinee
im ngl i wanna insta vote and get this over with
this was what i done last tournament too 💀
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there was a goon voting that bc xia voted it
10:23 a.m.
celestia or stett
10:24 a.m.
has to be
10:24 a.m.
wv or ww
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my second game it worked out, and then my semi finals game i decided to wait till the end of the day and fucking over thought and lost
10:24 a.m.
when i could’ve stuck with my original read
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its never the least or most suspicious...i should've realized wanobi was most sus
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i should’ve picked up on the fact that wanobi didn’t vote celestia
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celestia is so scum
10:24 a.m.
'she's middle sus
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aquamxrinee
@Xiafather lylo time help
SORRY currently on my way to meet a friend irl ahhhhhhhh
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xia don’t look at me 💀💀💀
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but shit
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have fun
10:25 a.m.
were cooked
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FreshSpice
xia don’t look at me 💀💀💀
am looking at you dw
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like i’m actually dying inside
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its probably ernie celestia stett lowk
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@Xiafather would u be mad if i insta vote?
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uh not really, it's your choice
10:27 a.m.
if you're very very certain and don't think your mind will be changed no matter what
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if fresh is town and votes town, we insta lose right?
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aquamxrinee
if fresh is town and votes town, we insta lose right?
that’s what i’m worried about
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nah i would say do it
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but from experience the more i wait and the more i read into the game the worst my reads get
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if nothing happens
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brother
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we know cel prob maf
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i don’t got the balls
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either u or cel is maf if we i=dont insta lopse\
10:28 a.m.
lose
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it’s usually my early reads that are the most correct
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looking back
10:29 a.m.
stett celestia were a scum pair we both kinda saw
10:29 a.m.
i feel better abt voting celestia i think than stett
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tbh i’m tempted to just say fuck it just to know who is mafia
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but eod d1 was weird
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this shit is killing me
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real
10:30 a.m.
im confused abt eod
10:30 a.m.
who voted celestia d1
10:30 a.m.
that eod felt vv
10:31 a.m.
how do i see votes
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@aquamxrinee @Xiafather one of u do it i don’t want to do it
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xia should
10:31 a.m.
shes conf inno
10:31 a.m.
if she votes someone and we dont insta lose
10:31 a.m.
we got a conf goon
10:32 a.m.
i hate this
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poor wanobi
10:32 a.m.
man im sorry for when u realize im not even maf
10:32 a.m.
i wish i was
10:33 a.m.
@Xiafather
10:34 a.m.
WHO IS IT BRO
10:34 a.m.
nah
10:34 a.m.
@FreshSpice
10:34 a.m.
im doing it
10:34 a.m.
im not looking back
10:35 a.m.
i did it
10:35 a.m.
im done
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